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Post by raftsox on Oct 15, 2013 13:47:47 GMT -5
There are ways of increasing accuracy without slowing down the game - appropriately-placed sensors should be able to determine fair or foul on HR down the line, for example. I do like a central booth for video review, NHL-style, which in theory increases efficiency and consistency. That's more difficult to do than you would think. You could use very expensive camera systems but there would need to be some sort of real-time signaling for fair/foul or a hit above/below the HR line of the fence. It could be done, but it's not as simple or cheap as is commonly thought. The other regular idea of using a computer to determine balls and strikes is just as difficult to do. I suppose pitch/FX could be used, but not every stadium has it yet and the results would need to be relayed instantaneously. If you want to put a chip in the ball it would need to be of the RFID type and would have to be able to withstand significant physical shock repeatedly; all without altering the performance of the ball. Both systems would also need to identify the actual strike zone for each batter. It's a cool thought, but using computers is probably the most difficult and most error prone method. I think I prefer a centralized replay booth a la the NHL for the "challengeable" plays.
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Post by jmei on Oct 15, 2013 14:06:40 GMT -5
More of this "unspoken rules" garbage last night. In what other sport is it "showing up the game" to celebrate a big hit? Just ridiculous. All of the quotes in that article were perfectly reasonable. I understand why the media feels the need to make something out of nothing, but not why you always get your panties in a bunch. For example: Perfectly reasonable and balanced: they're cartoonishly exuberant, but they're fired up because it's the playoffs. Beltran gave a couple of veteran reasons why he believes a more restrained manner around opponents - and umps - can be better for one's team in the long run. Yeah, if you ignore the "Mickey Mouse stuff" bit. Admittedly, it's overblown by the media, but only because there are many people who really do think Puig is a threat to the sanctity of the game.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Oct 15, 2013 14:45:15 GMT -5
I get that. Is it still fine to take offense to players on another team who choose to celebrate more in the open, just because the team that has become.. Possibly "immune" to winning factor year after year and takes it all in stride? I say no. Keep it to themselves, let them enjoy it.
Were not many here am pretty sure silent when the Red Sox were talking it up when Schill, Millar and others were celebrating it up in '04 over those stoic NYY'ers.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 15, 2013 20:31:03 GMT -5
Watched bits and pieces of it also. Same with most of the Pirates vs STL Series. I came away with a STL mentality that thinks, especially after these quotes from the veterans similar to the veteran NYY finally retiring that they are entitled to playoff appearances just because they put on that Cardinals uniform and teams should just move on over for them. Shame Orsillo and Eck are not announcing that series, would love to hear what Dennis has to say about that entitlement factor several Cardinals are taking way to far and showboating that some LAD were doing that wasn't even very much last night. I tend to disagree a bit here. The celebrations were definitely over the top given the situation and its not like he said anything too controversial, just that it was a Mickey Mouse celebration, which it was. Did you see what the Dodgers did after they won the division? They act like "they've never been there before," (because they haven't) while the Cardinals, from their stand-point, think the celebrations in game 3 of an ALCS in the middle of a game like that are a bit ridiculous, which they are. I don't think the Cardinals are as entitled as the Yankees... You rarely see them with the same pomp that the Yankees have.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 15, 2013 20:42:51 GMT -5
The only group of people on the planet who are bigger daises than baseball players are baseball writers.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 15, 2013 20:45:20 GMT -5
The Dodgers actually kind of remind me of the Rays and their antics.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 15, 2013 21:02:23 GMT -5
How? They don't shoot fake arrows in the dugout (stupidest celebration ever) and they don't have a clown manager who constantly calls the other team a bunch of cowards.
I don't like the Dodgers, but they're good for baseball.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 15, 2013 21:18:21 GMT -5
Wait, what is that "Mickey Mouse" stuff Adrian was pulling? Was good ole fatso having a burger king or something?
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 15, 2013 21:43:12 GMT -5
How the heck do you get picked off 2nd base in a situation like that?
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Post by johnsilver52 on Oct 16, 2013 17:58:28 GMT -5
Going to be a flooded market for closers this off season. Nathon, Rodney, Wilson, Balfour. Anyone else already seeing the Rays ending up grabbing Wilson and seeing them get him for something ridiculously cheap? Like 3-5mAAV for 2y?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 16, 2013 19:04:47 GMT -5
Going to be a flooded market for closers this off season. Nathon, Rodney, Wilson, Balfour. Anyone else already seeing the Rays ending up grabbing Wilson and seeing them get him for something ridiculously cheap? Like 3-5mAAV for 2y? Wilson is going to get a lot more than that. He's proven that he's healthy. He's sitting mid-90s with the sinker, low-90s with the cutter.
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Post by jmei on Oct 18, 2013 8:16:03 GMT -5
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Post by johnsilver52 on Oct 18, 2013 12:11:58 GMT -5
Going to be a flooded market for closers this off season. Nathon, Rodney, Wilson, Balfour. Anyone else already seeing the Rays ending up grabbing Wilson and seeing them get him for something ridiculously cheap? Like 3-5mAAV for 2y? Wilson is going to get a lot more than that. He's proven that he's healthy. He's sitting mid-90s with the sinker, low-90s with the cutter. Tampa will end up with one was my thinking. Always have the "to low" thought 1st here it seems and you are right on that 3-5mannually is probably going to be to little.
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Post by jmei on Oct 18, 2013 12:35:21 GMT -5
The Red Sox will look into picking up another late-innings righty reliever, and while it's not a great crop, there are some solid under-the-radar ones. I was looking at some free agent right-handed relievers and saw a few names to watch. Matt Belisle (4.32 ERA but a 3.03 FIP and 2.99 xFIP) is one early target, though he has a $4.25m mutual option with Colorado. LaTroy Hawkins is old as dirt but had a nice season with the Mets. Chad Qualls' 63.3% GB rate and solid K/BB numbers would fit nicely in Fenway. Ryan Madson had a setback from TJ surgery and didn't pitch in 2013, but would be a nice buy-low option if healthy. Jesse Crain and Jose Veras are slightly more high-profile but are both effective.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 18, 2013 13:21:13 GMT -5
The Red Sox will look into picking up another late-innings righty reliever, and while it's not a great crop, there are some solid under-the-radar ones. I was looking at some free agent right-handed relievers and saw a few names to watch. Matt Belisle (4.32 ERA but a 3.03 FIP and 2.99 xFIP) is one early target, though he has a $4.25m mutual option with Colorado. LaTroy Hawkins is old as dirt but had a nice season with the Mets. Chad Qualls' 63.3% GB rate and solid K/BB numbers would fit nicely in Fenway. Ryan Madson had a setback from TJ surgery and didn't pitch in 2013, but would be a nice buy-low option if healthy. Jesse Crain and Jose Veras are slightly more high-profile but are both effective. Just tell me no one's looking to trade their closer.
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Post by soxfanatic on Oct 18, 2013 16:06:04 GMT -5
Jon Heyman ?@jonheymancbs 23s rays 2011 1st rounder taylor guerreri suspended 50 games for drug of abuse
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Post by johnsilver52 on Oct 18, 2013 16:34:34 GMT -5
The Red Sox will look into picking up another late-innings righty reliever, and while it's not a great crop, there are some solid under-the-radar ones. I was looking at some free agent right-handed relievers and saw a few names to watch. Matt Belisle (4.32 ERA but a 3.03 FIP and 2.99 xFIP) is one early target, though he has a $4.25m mutual option with Colorado. LaTroy Hawkins is old as dirt but had a nice season with the Mets. Chad Qualls' 63.3% GB rate and solid K/BB numbers would fit nicely in Fenway. Ryan Madson had a setback from TJ surgery and didn't pitch in 2013, but would be a nice buy-low option if healthy. Jesse Crain and Jose Veras are slightly more high-profile but are both effective. Lets not forget that our own Joel Hannrahan is a FA as well. I'd LOVE to have him back on a make good basis as a setup guy for Koji. He should be throwing by ST, the ready to go full steam by May-June. Maybe he could be had for 5-6m and add some incentives as a safety net for Koji. Also, even though Koji is signed thru next season, plus does have a fair injury record and 38YO. I'd like to see Boston explore extending him, or tearing up his contract and getting a short term contract.. Say just 2y and a team option.. Give him like 2y @8m and a team option for 9-10m and a 2m buyout. Make it worthwhile to get control for 2 more years and not worry about a closer for 2-3y and give him more cash as well.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Oct 18, 2013 17:46:38 GMT -5
Interesting story courtesy of MLBTR and ESPN NY regarding the NYY off seasom spending plans.. Seems like those Yankees don't like losing and are going to try and figure out how to get under the spending cap of 189m, yet go out and blow 300m this winter somehow. espn NYFantasy land I thought existed at Disneyland in California and at Orlando Florida. Didn't think they had built one at NY yet. NY going to get all those people mentioned in that article, get out from Rodriquez contract for *maybe* 1 year, then have to still pay him for the rest of his contract? Not counting losing the best draft pick that franchise would have had in probably 20 years. Then it could have been another Brian Taylor.. Who knows... I think George has come back myself. Maybe Billy Marin himself will carry the lineup card to home plate on opening day.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 18, 2013 20:41:19 GMT -5
Puig costs the Dodgers a run tonight with a stupid off balance throw allow Beltran to reach 2nd. He has a lot of Manny in him and it must drive Mattingly nuts at times with stupid plays like he made tonight.
Puig makes another poor throw allowing both runners to advance Cardinals 4 Dodgers 0. Kershaw up over 70 pitches in the 3rd inning. Looks like AGon and friends might have be going to Disneyland a lot sooner than they thought.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Oct 18, 2013 21:32:11 GMT -5
Kershaw got rocked. More proof that ace pitchers never lose playoff games. But yeah, if the Red Sox lose tomorrow it's over. No chance Verlander could lose twice.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Oct 18, 2013 21:55:38 GMT -5
Kershaw got rocked. More proof that ace pitchers never lose playoff games. But yeah, if the Red Sox lose tomorrow it's over. No chance Verlander could lose twice. Not trying to offend you here, but aces get rocked hard in the post season. The toughest in the game even. As a Red Sox fan.. 1986 should ring a bell when Boston bombed that dude named Dwight Gooden 2 times hard. He's the reason they won 2 of the 3 games and was the Mets best pitcher for years.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 18, 2013 22:59:08 GMT -5
I so hope Wacha brings that "no hit" stuff against us if we advance. If we can get past Scherzer and Verlander, that stuff will be kindergarten.
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Post by wcp3 on Oct 18, 2013 23:28:32 GMT -5
Neither the Tigers nor the Red Sox should be afraid of a team that bats Yadier Molina 4th.
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Post by jmei on Oct 18, 2013 23:37:49 GMT -5
Neither the Tigers nor the Red Sox should be afraid of a team that bats Yadier Molina 4th. Yadier Molina hit .319/.359/.477 in 2013 for a 134 wRC+. That would have ranked third on the Red Sox behind only Papi and Carp (in a small sample). The Red Sox had a pretty good #4 hitter, but their #3 hitters hit a collective .290/.365/.415 and their #5 hitters hit a collective .266/.362/.457. Yadier Molina is also going to end up in the top 5 in the NL MVP voting this year. So while the Cardinals are certainly far from a juggernaut, you sure picked a strange reason to hate on them.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 19, 2013 0:02:37 GMT -5
Puig costs the Dodgers a run tonight with a stupid off balance throw allow Beltran to reach 2nd. He has a lot of Manny in him and it must drive Mattingly nuts at times with stupid plays like he made tonight. Puig makes another poor throw allowing both runners to advance Cardinals 4 Dodgers 0. Kershaw up over 70 pitches in the 3rd inning. Looks like AGon and friends might have be going to Disneyland a lot sooner than they thought. Puig is not a finished player, not by a long shot. As fine a physical specimen as he his, there are a lot of running and fielding mistakes, either not understanding the situation or not caring. And there are holes in that powerful swing that will be increasingly exploited. The real test is just starting: can he make the adjustments necessary to get better?
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