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2013 Non-Sox MLB Discussion
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 27, 2013 16:16:09 GMT -5
Huh? Teams know what they're doing when it comes to talent acquisition (to varying degrees), they're not going to forget all that just because they can spend more money. Teams used to trip over each other to sign athletic 16-yo's for lots of dollars, mostly because they were terrified others would find a diamond in the rough first. A more equitable system strikes a balance between incentivizing potential while controlling costs at that level lest the promise of talent become more valuable than the talent itself. The NFL has taken it to an extreme, forcing younger players into indentured servitude, but certainly we can't allow teams to bid hug sums for guys who haven't pitched yet and might bust before they reach AA.I'd be a big fan of a system where there were player development academies and graduating players enter teams' systems (advanced minors only) in an auction process of some sort. I don't see why not.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 27, 2013 17:04:35 GMT -5
Reds and Pirates are 8-8 so far, so whoever wins the weekend series will also get the home field for the WC game on Tuesday. If that's the Reds, the teams will end up playing four games in five days in the same city, which is something you don't see very often, if ever. August 16, 2006 was the start of a 5 game series between the Red Sox and Yankees. My daughter was born just before game 1, which Boston won; they then lost the next 4. If only I was a polygamist and had really good timing we could have swept that series. Yeah, I'm sure that in the past there have been five-game series because of rainouts. It's a visiting team spending five days in a road city that may be extremely rare. If teams have a scheduled four-game series over four days, then there is almost certainly not an off day on either side in which to add a makeup date. Teams are generally in two different cities per week, so five days in one city would be very odd.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 27, 2013 17:05:39 GMT -5
Reds and Pirates are 8-8 so far, so whoever wins the weekend series will also get the home field for the WC game on Tuesday. If that's the Reds, the teams will end up playing four games in five days in the same city, which is something you don't see very often, if ever. In the AL, the Rays have the tiebreaker over the Indians, the Indians over the Rangers, and the Rangers over the Rays. I've worked out all the crazy three-way tie scenarios but I'll wait to see if that possibility is eliminated tonight or tomorrow. August 16, 2006 was the start of a 5 game series between the Red Sox and Yankees. My daughter was born just before game 1, which Boston won; they then lost the next 4. If only I was a polygamist and had really good timing we could have swept that series. I could check later on but my memory is that the Yankees swept the Red Sox in a 5 game series in August 2006. I remember the Sox picking up flack for passing on Bobby Abreu. I also remember the Sox getting swept in a double header as part of the 5 game series and I think they dropped the final one 2-1 with Wells pitching well but taking the loss. I'm pretty sure they lost all five games. I also remember Timlin complaining about the hitting although he pitched poorly during the series and I think one of the losses was a 14-11 loss or something like that in the 2nd game of the double header. I remember Ortiz taking Rivera deep in the 9th but it didn't matter.
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Post by bluechip on Sept 27, 2013 17:11:04 GMT -5
Who do we think will be the next commish? I have heard Cal Ripken's name thrown around as well as Joe Torre. Joe Torre does not want to do it, because he is to old. Neither of those guys. Someone that has a ton of experience in the business world. Not Larry Luciano (too polarizing), but someone in that mold.
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Post by Gwell55 on Sept 27, 2013 17:20:15 GMT -5
August 16, 2006 was the start of a 5 game series between the Red Sox and Yankees. My daughter was born just before game 1, which Boston won; they then lost the next 4. If only I was a polygamist and had really good timing we could have swept that series. I could check later on but my memory is that the Yankees swept the Red Sox in a 5 game series in August 2006. I remember the Sox picking up flack for passing on Bobby Abreu. I also remember the Sox getting swept in a double header as part of the 5 game series and I think they dropped the final one 2-1 with Wells pitching well but taking the loss. I'm pretty sure they lost all five games. I also remember Timlin complaining about the hitting although he pitched poorly during the series and I think one of the losses was a 14-11 loss or something like that in the 2nd game of the double header. I remember Ortiz taking Rivera deep in the 9th but it didn't matter. They beat Detroit on August 16th 6-4 then started a 5 game 4 day series against the yanks which they lost all 5, a Dblhder, then 3 straight. www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2006-schedule-scores.shtml
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 27, 2013 17:30:09 GMT -5
LinkMLB.tv is showing every game for free this weekend. Blackout rules still apply, though. Looks like I picked the right day (yesterday) to upgrade to the Infinity X1 DVR with the Premier channel package. Via the "Sports" app I effortlessly discovered which channels the other games are going to be on. I've got the Breaking Bad marathon recording on one tuner (it looks like the last 55 episodes will fill up less than 2/3 of the hard drive), the Sox on a second, the A's on a 3rd, Real Time with Bill Maher on a fourth, and I'll be able to switch between the Rays, Indians, and Rangers games live by pausing the Sox. I figure I'll follow them online and switch to them whenever they get interesting. I vividly remember when the Globe had a phone line with the scores, and at this time of year you simply called it a couple of times late at night.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 27, 2013 22:51:32 GMT -5
Tough loss for the Devil Rays. 3-way tie a definite possibility now.
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Post by sammo420 on Sept 28, 2013 0:23:41 GMT -5
I could check later on but my memory is that the Yankees swept the Red Sox in a 5 game series in August 2006. I remember the Sox picking up flack for passing on Bobby Abreu. I also remember the Sox getting swept in a double header as part of the 5 game series and I think they dropped the final one 2-1 with Wells pitching well but taking the loss. I'm pretty sure they lost all five games. I also remember Timlin complaining about the hitting although he pitched poorly during the series and I think one of the losses was a 14-11 loss or something like that in the 2nd game of the double header. I remember Ortiz taking Rivera deep in the 9th but it didn't matter. They beat Detroit on August 16th 6-4 then started a 5 game 4 day series against the yanks which they lost all 5, a Dblhder, then 3 straight. www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2006-schedule-scores.shtmlThat was about what I thought. They nicknamed it "the Boston Massacre" or something like that. I was on vacation in South Carolina and missed it and I'm glad I did. That was the proverbial nail in the coffin for that season.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 28, 2013 13:42:21 GMT -5
Hunter Pence re-signs with San Fran for 5/90.
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 28, 2013 14:26:45 GMT -5
TEX won and TB is getting crushed. If the TB score holds and CLE somehow loses to MIN, could be a three-way tie tonight.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 28, 2013 15:02:14 GMT -5
Hunter Pence re-signs with San Fran for 5/90. An overpay, then many thought Anibal Sanchez last winter was an overpay at 5/90m as well. SF is always going to be overpaying for bats to play at that place and Pence seemed to enjoy playing in SF. The premier bat off the market (after Cano)so should help out Choo and his market.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 28, 2013 15:36:37 GMT -5
The Rangers have won again. Assuming the Rays don't come back from their current 0.02% Win Probability (trailing 7-1 going into the bottom of the 8th, and in fact they lost the game while I was writing this) ...
There is a 3/8 chance of a tie for the second wild card, regardless of what the Indians do today.
If the Indians win, there is a 1/8 chance of a 3-way tie; if they lose, a 1/4 chance.
In the three-way tiebreaker, first the Indians, then the Rays get to pick their designation as A, B, or C. The two tiebreaker games are B at A, then loser of that game at C, with each winner advancing as a W/C.
So A has a .55 + .45 * .45 = .75 chance B has a .45 * + .55 * .45 = .70 chance C has a .55 chance.
Assuming the Indians and Rays pick A and B, here are the four different ways the tiebreaker could play out. In each case, the first two games are the tiebreaker games, Monday and Tuesday, and the third game is the actual W/C game. In each scenario, the bold clubs are winners of the tie-breaker games.
(Note that Texas is currently at home, while the others are on the road.)
TB at Cle TB at Tex Tex at Cle
TB at Cle TB at Tex Cle at TB
TB at Cle Cle at Tex TB at Tex
TB at Cle Cle at Tex Cle at TB
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 28, 2013 16:12:15 GMT -5
It's a great scenario regardless Ericmvan. All 3 potential W/C teams beating each other up attempting to just get there, throwing there best pitchers out there, burning up the best relievers and then not able to properly line up it's rotation.
Everything "should" dictate an advantage, then we have all seen those things go wrong before.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 28, 2013 16:43:22 GMT -5
Brad Miller with two home runs including a grand slam against Jared Parker. Seattle in the lead 7-1!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 28, 2013 16:57:53 GMT -5
So A has a .55 + .45 * .45 = .75 chance B has a .45 * + .55 * .45 = .70 chance C has a .55 chance. Yeah, but that's assuming all things are equal, which they aren't. If you're Cleveland, would you prefer two cracks at it, or would you prefer one game against the loser? Projected rotations if team has to play Monday Tampa projected rotation: Price, Cobb, Hellickson Texas projected rotation: Perez, Garza, Ogando Cleveland projected rotation: Salazar, McAllister, Kluber If you're Cleveland, if you pick C, you're avoiding Price, even if you get Tampa. That said, would you rather two bites at the apple, getting Perez, then Price? I think you still probably pick A, but then, if you're the Rays, would you prefer two road games or one home game after an off day?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 28, 2013 17:10:02 GMT -5
TEX won and TB is getting crushed. If the TB score holds and CLE somehow loses to MIN, could be a three-way tie tonight. (FYI, I moved that post into this thread, Adam) TB lost, CLE still up late though. Looking like it'll be CLE up one game on TB and TEX.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 28, 2013 17:44:36 GMT -5
TEX won and TB is getting crushed. If the TB score holds and CLE somehow loses to MIN, could be a three-way tie tonight. (FYI, I moved that post into this thread, Ad I'll take my chances against Cleveland or Texas. TB scares me.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 28, 2013 22:12:17 GMT -5
Hunter Pence re-signs with San Fran for 5/90. Can we stop pretending Brian Sabean is a good GM now?
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 28, 2013 22:18:43 GMT -5
Hunter Pence re-signs with San Fran for 5/90. Can we stop pretending Brian Sabean is a good GM now? Not until this phone is considered cool in a retro way.
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Post by justabitoutside on Sept 29, 2013 14:10:39 GMT -5
The Marlins/ Tigers game actually is interesting.
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Post by jmei on Sept 29, 2013 14:17:22 GMT -5
What a great game it ended up being. Congratulations to Henderson Alvarez on the no-hitter, and what a way for a non-playoff team to end its season.
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Post by mredsox89 on Sept 29, 2013 14:18:40 GMT -5
That was awesome
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Post by ray88h66 on Sept 29, 2013 14:46:34 GMT -5
What a great game it ended up being. Congratulations to Henderson Alvarez on the no-hitter, and what a way for a non-playoff team to end its season. I second that. My remote and thumb will need help after this great sports week-end.
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Post by Guidas on Sept 29, 2013 15:42:56 GMT -5
So what's Francona's deal - he already had home field guaranteed for the WC after yesterday no matter what the tie situation and yet he throws his best pitcher today? Pretty much banking on Tampa and Texas playing a tie breaker then throwing Ubaldo on 3 days rest or is he really that confident in Kazmier(!) or Kluber that they could beat the Price and Rays or the winner of the Rays/Texas (which mean he'd face Cobb or Archer or Hellboy/Darvish on 3 days or Holland + all hands? Just seems odd when he could be throwing a rested Ubaldo Jimenez on Tues or Weds.
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Post by mredsox89 on Sept 29, 2013 15:56:34 GMT -5
Darvish pulled in a 2-2 game in the 6th after 84 pitches. Texas needs a win to tie for the 2nd WC and now their best player is out. Wouldn't mind seeing TB and TEX being forced to play a game just to get into the play in game vs. Cleveland
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