Yoshida to IL, per Rob Bradford

[bettsonmookie]

My first breaking news on SP!

Yoshida going on the IL, per Bradford.

Seems to provide the missing link between many of today's moves.

[grandsalami]

Sets "days without a Red Sox getting injured" to ZERO days

[bettsonmookie]

May 1, 2024 13:40:31 GMT -5 grandsalami said:

Sets "days without a Red Sox getting injured" to ZERO days

The new roster adds are probably gonna be staring out from that dugout tonight as if they're about to get off the boats and storm Normandy.

[nomar]

Cora said he is the DH when he returns (but also gave no timetable)

[asm18]

This may have gone under the radar, but Breslow said yesterday on NESN that the "jamming" has happened a couple of times and that these things can "compound." This really might explain a lot of the Yoshida weirdness from the last few weeks with being him "fine" but neither starting nor pinch hitting - I can imagine advertising a hand injury to pitchers is not something you want to do if you can avoid it...

[notstarboard]

May 1, 2024 13:59:09 GMT -5 asm18 said:

This may have gone under the radar, but Breslow said yesterday on NESN that the "jamming" has happened a couple of times and that these things can "compound." This really might explain a lot of the Yoshida weirdness from the last few weeks with being him "fine" but neither starting nor pinch hitting - I can imagine advertising a hand injury to pitchers is not something you want to do if you can avoid it...

I'm not sure about that. What are they going to do, try to hit him in the hand? If he can't swing the bat he won't be playing; it's not like he's just going to be out there as a decoy. If he's out there pitchers can assume he's ready to hit.

I don't think there's much of an excuse or reason for them to lie about his health, but I suppose I would rather a conniving manager than a clueless one, so I hope I'm wrong.

[ericmvan]

It seems that Refsnyder will be the guy in the lineup to replace him. And they'll keep Hamilton of the roster for the time being. He can pinch-run, and if they need to replace an OF mid-game they just move Rafaela to the OF and put Short or Hamilton at short.

[shagworthy]

May 1, 2024 13:41:20 GMT -5 bettsonmookie said:

May 1, 2024 13:40:31 GMT -5 grandsalami said:

Sets "days without a Red Sox getting injured" to ZERO days

The new roster adds are probably gonna be staring out from that dugout tonight as if they're about to get off the boats and storm Normandy.

They will all be like Eddie Harris from Major Leagues after he sampled Joboo's spirits. 

[blizzards39]

Any chance the Angels would take Yoshida off our hands? As a draw? If we eat 50-75% salary? LH only DH with limeted power. There is no spot for him.

[dirtywaterinla]

May 1, 2024 14:38:18 GMT -5 ericmvan said:

It seems that Refsnyder will be the guy in the lineup to replace him. And they'll keep Hamilton of the roster for the time being. He can pinch-run, and if they need to replace an OF mid-game they just move Rafaela to the OF and put Short or Hamilton at short.

Are we sure Hamilton is gonna stick around now that Short has to be on the big league roster?

[asm18]

May 1, 2024 14:29:41 GMT -5 notstarboard said:

May 1, 2024 13:59:09 GMT -5 asm18 said:

This may have gone under the radar, but Breslow said yesterday on NESN that the "jamming" has happened a couple of times and that these things can "compound." This really might explain a lot of the Yoshida weirdness from the last few weeks with being him "fine" but neither starting nor pinch hitting - I can imagine advertising a hand injury to pitchers is not something you want to do if you can avoid it...

I'm not sure about that. What are they going to do, try to hit him in the hand? If he can't swing the bat he won't be playing; it's not like he's just going to be out there as a decoy. If he's out there pitchers can assume he's ready to hit.

I don't think there's much of an excuse or reason for them to lie about his health, but I suppose I would rather a conniving manager than a clueless one, so I hope I'm wrong.

Certain injuries you don’t want to highlight to the opposition if you can avoid it. Pedroia told a story to Section 10 in 2021 about his messing up the UCL in his thumb Opening Day in 2013. As I recall, he said the injury gave him a much harder time hitting inside pitches - but pitchers didn’t know that part and still treated him like Dustin Pedroia. Whether something like that is similar for Yoshida we don’t know - but that he apparently has been dealing with this for longer than just Sunday (if Breslow’s statement is accurate) suggests they’re being cagey for a reason.

[keninten]

Ty Cobb supposedly would fake a leg injury before games so the opposition would think he couldn`t run.

[seamus]

May 1, 2024 15:06:58 GMT -5 asm18 said:

May 1, 2024 14:29:41 GMT -5 notstarboard said:

I'm not sure about that. What are they going to do, try to hit him in the hand? If he can't swing the bat he won't be playing; it's not like he's just going to be out there as a decoy. If he's out there pitchers can assume he's ready to hit.

I don't think there's much of an excuse or reason for them to lie about his health, but I suppose I would rather a conniving manager than a clueless one, so I hope I'm wrong.

Certain injuries you don’t want to highlight to the opposition if you can avoid it. Pedroia told a story to Section 10 in 2021 about his messing up the UCL in his thumb Opening Day in 2013. As I recall, he said the injury gave him a much harder time hitting inside pitches - but pitchers didn’t know that part and still treated him like Dustin Pedroia. Whether something like that is similar for Yoshida we don’t know - but that he apparently has been dealing with this for longer than just Sunday (if Breslow’s statement is accurate) suggests they’re being cagey for a reason.

Yeah, pitchers are more likely to try to jam you inside because you're just not going to feel comfortable swinging at pitches in on the hands. Pitchers generally seem to be trying to get him with soft stuff down and away, but if they know they can bring heat in, that creates even more potential trouble areas.

[asm18]

Don't panic:

[asm18]

Yoshida avoiding surgery:

Timeline:

April 17-18th - Cora gives Yoshida two days off to “mentally” reset

April 21 - Third string catcher Tyler Heinemen DH’s over Yoshida vs Martin Perez - followed by a stretch of Yoshida just not in the lineup

April 28 - Yoshida leaves game after getting jammed during an at-bat

April 30 - Breslow says in a NESN interview of Yoshida’s injury that “I think it's painful. Potentially, affects the swing a bit but, don't think there's long term concern.” He also implies the “jamming” has happened previous, and that it “compounds”

May 1 - Yoshida placed on the IL with an thumb strain

Early May - Yoshida goes to see a bunch of hand specialists.

Today: no surgery… but we still don’t know what the hell is going on. We don’t even know what the injury is beyond a “thumb strain.”

[nomar]

I’m a little confused as to how his hand got jammed and how it has repeatedly happened. Everything about him for the past month has been frustratingly vague

[sxfan]

I quoted Julian McWilliams thinking Chapman played 145 games later. Read it too fast. He played 145 games in 2018.

Hands and wrists are all tricky areas. God knows how long it'll be. I wouldn't count on him coming back this year.

[stunzisox]

May 10, 2024 17:26:28 GMT -5 sxfan said:

I quoted Julian McWilliams thinking Chapman played 145 games later. Read it too fast. He played 145 games in 2018.

Hands and wrists are all tricky areas. God knows how long it'll be. I wouldn't count on him coming back this year.

buzz off with that last sentence, would ya.

[julyanmorley]

May 10, 2024 15:47:21 GMT -5 asm18 said:

Today: no surgery… but we still don’t know what the hell is going on. We don’t even know what the injury is beyond a “thumb strain.”

Youkilis said on the broadcast that it's the same injury he had, but not as severe.  At the time it was described as a thumb muscle tear.

"It really stinks," said Youkilis after the Red Sox beat the Indians 3-1 on Tuesday. "[This injury] is very rare. Zero athletes have had it, at least as far as the doctors have said. It was a freak accident. I don't know how it happened or the reason behind it. It just happened.

"If I have to have some procedure, though, it's pretty easy to do. It won't affect me down the road. It's misfortune but I've been healthy for a very long time. I wish I could help the team out, but luckily this isn't career-ending. I'll still be able to play, just not right now."

He said he doesn't remember a specific moment when he knew the muscle had torn.

"It started on the West Coast [the July 19-28 trip]," said Youkilis. "I can't pinpoint when it happened. There was a little swelling and it was tender to the touch, but I struggled with it and I tried to play through it in Oakland and Seattle but it got pretty bad in Anaheim.

"[On Monday] it hurt and the color of it was blue, so I knew it wasn't just a bruise. I thought maybe it was a hairline fracture, but the bones are fine. Fortunately the tendon is not affected."

www.espn.com/boston/mlb/news/story?id=5434985

[asm18]

May 10, 2024 21:07:50 GMT -5 julyanmorley said:

May 10, 2024 15:47:21 GMT -5 asm18 said:

Today: no surgery… but we still don’t know what the hell is going on. We don’t even know what the injury is beyond a “thumb strain.”

Youkilis said on the broadcast that it's the same injury he had, but not as severe.  At the time it was described as a thumb muscle tear.

"It really stinks," said Youkilis after the Red Sox beat the Indians 3-1 on Tuesday. "[This injury] is very rare. Zero athletes have had it, at least as far as the doctors have said. It was a freak accident. I don't know how it happened or the reason behind it. It just happened.

"If I have to have some procedure, though, it's pretty easy to do. It won't affect me down the road. It's misfortune but I've been healthy for a very long time. I wish I could help the team out, but luckily this isn't career-ending. I'll still be able to play, just not right now."

He said he doesn't remember a specific moment when he knew the muscle had torn.

"It started on the West Coast [the July 19-28 trip]," said Youkilis. "I can't pinpoint when it happened. There was a little swelling and it was tender to the touch, but I struggled with it and I tried to play through it in Oakland and Seattle but it got pretty bad in Anaheim.

"[On Monday] it hurt and the color of it was blue, so I knew it wasn't just a bruise. I thought maybe it was a hairline fracture, but the bones are fine. Fortunately the tendon is not affected."

www.espn.com/boston/mlb/news/story?id=5434985

Yeah what Youk lays out would seem to match the timeline of Yoshida as he was disappearing from the lineup last month - we don’t know for sure but that would seem to be the reason. No wonder Cora was so testy about it, and why Yoshida seemed so downbeat.

Perhaps they kept giving him off-days and it just never got better before they went to the hand specialists? Worth remembering that the roster was so decimated with injuries - to the extent they had no position players on the 40 man in the minors left - so maybe if it didn’t seem too serious initially they were hoping they could just manage it with some rest?

[sxfan]

May 10, 2024 21:01:00 GMT -5 stunzisox said:

May 10, 2024 17:26:28 GMT -5 sxfan said:

I quoted Julian McWilliams thinking Chapman played 145 games later. Read it too fast. He played 145 games in 2018.

Hands and wrists are all tricky areas. God knows how long it'll be. I wouldn't count on him coming back this year.

buzz off with that last sentence, would ya.

Okay let me rephrase-

I wouldn't count on him coming back this year and being anything close to his normal self or productive.

[manfred]

May 11, 2024 7:53:11 GMT -5 sxfan said:

May 10, 2024 21:01:00 GMT -5 stunzisox said:

buzz off with that last sentence, would ya.

Okay let me rephrase-

I wouldn't count on him coming back this year and being anything close to his normal self or productive.

I appreciate the distinction between his normal self and productive.

[benogliviesbrother]

Some folks don't have enough doom & gloom in their life so they feel the need to borrow some from an imaginary future.

Thanks for sharing.