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Post by likethewhiskey on Jan 3, 2024 13:03:29 GMT -5
General opinion across the industry is that the Sox are likely shopping Kenley at least to some degree, looking for ways to lighten some payroll commitments to leverage those $$$ elsewhere.
Given that salary relief to the tune of probably at least half that contract would probably be sought, do we think there's any useful ML pieces that could possibly be returned, or are we thinking more of the Weissert and Dick Fits of the world?
Side topic: also would not shock me to see Chris Martin moved while his value is sky-high.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 3, 2024 13:18:57 GMT -5
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Post by likethewhiskey on Jan 3, 2024 13:24:19 GMT -5
I didn't pose a hypothetical trade -- but figured 1 thread instead of 2 would avoid clutter.
Do you want me to break it into two separate threads?
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Post by levi on Jan 3, 2024 13:33:32 GMT -5
My personal favorites might be trade options with the Dodgers, Mets, Cubs, or Rangers (probably in that order):
Kenley + $8MM for Michael Grove
- Jul-Sep had 23.6 K-BB%
- Similar K/9, Stuff+, Pitching+, Z-Contact% to Justin Steele (both have + sliders)
- 3.92 xFIP / 3.89 SIERA in MLB in 2023
Kenley + $8MM for Christian Scott
- Elite MiLB numbers in 2022/2023
- 12 starts in AA with 11.18 K/9 and 1.16 BB/9
Kenley + $8MM for Ben Brown or Javier Assad
- Breslow knows both well
- Brown may have reliever risk but could be a solid bet
- Assad has a similar Stuff/Location profile to Bello
Kenley + $8MM for Jack Leiter
- More of a project at this point
- High ceiling but struggles to throw strikes
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 3, 2024 13:34:35 GMT -5
I'm moving this to the trade proposal subforum pending anything more substantive than speculation.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 3, 2024 13:34:45 GMT -5
Just in a general sense about the report, not a fan. I'm sure I'll be happy with the return, but they're not making moves to compete now and if that's the case I want them to make moves with 2025 in mind. This is really not how I expected this off-season to go.
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Post by oleary25 on Jan 3, 2024 13:36:13 GMT -5
I’ll give it a shot. Jasen + Gonzalez # 9 Red Sox prospect to Texas Rangers for Jack Leiter # 5 Rangers Prospect or Kumar Rocker # 9 prospect. Leiter has under performed since being drafted era north of 5. Worth the risk imo.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 3, 2024 13:36:19 GMT -5
I'm moving this to the trade proposal subforum pending anything more substantive than speculation. I would say this would have a place for either real news/reports/updates regarding Jansen or discussing the possible move and implications, but I can see how it could easily derail into fantasy trade speculation. |
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Post by soxaddict on Jan 5, 2024 4:00:37 GMT -5
I’ll give it a shot. Jasen + Gonzalez # 9 Red Sox prospect to Texas Rangers for Jack Leiter # 5 Rangers Prospect or Kumar Rocker # 9 prospect. Leiter has under performed since being drafted era north of 5. Worth the risk imo. I agree a likely destination could be Texas, but I think it will take money instead of a prospect from the Sox side to make a deal. Something like Jansen + $8 - $10M for Jack Leiter, maybe? |
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Post by cdj on Jan 6, 2024 21:23:50 GMT -5
I’ll give it a shot. Jasen + Gonzalez # 9 Red Sox prospect to Texas Rangers for Jack Leiter # 5 Rangers Prospect or Kumar Rocker # 9 prospect. Leiter has under performed since being drafted era north of 5. Worth the risk imo. Might prefer Wicker Man to Leiter at this point tbh |
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Post by cdj on Jan 13, 2024 22:47:35 GMT -5
Manifesting Kenley for Payton Martin
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 19, 2024 13:15:42 GMT -5
Posted this idea in the FA thread but it belongs in here moreso than that thread. How about Jansen for Heaney if the Rangers sign Montgomery? Throw in 3M with Jansen so the money is the same, benefits the Sox by giving them another viable SP option who is probably on par if not better than any SP FA left not named Montgomery or Snell. It also would benefit the Rangers since their bullpen isn't the strongest.
Feels like there could be something there.
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Post by puzzler on Jan 19, 2024 13:32:38 GMT -5
Posted this idea in the FA thread but it belongs in here moreso than that thread. How about Jansen for Heaney if the Rangers sign Montgomery? Throw in 3M with Jansen so the money is the same, benefits the Sox by giving them another viable SP option who is probably on par if not better than any SP FA left not named Montgomery or Snell. It also would benefit the Rangers since their bullpen isn't the strongest. Feels like there could be something there. Wouldn't hate it - but it seems like a missed opportunity to actually add long term value. If you sign someone and get someone for Jansen, you could end up coming out ahead in the long run. If you don't really believe in the 2024 roster, I don't think Heaney is going to move the dial enough. Now if they don't sign another SP, then I could get behind it. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 19, 2024 13:37:59 GMT -5
Posted this idea in the FA thread but it belongs in here moreso than that thread. How about Jansen for Heaney if the Rangers sign Montgomery? Throw in 3M with Jansen so the money is the same, benefits the Sox by giving them another viable SP option who is probably on par if not better than any SP FA left not named Montgomery or Snell. It also would benefit the Rangers since their bullpen isn't the strongest. Feels like there could be something there. Wouldn't hate it - but it seems like a missed opportunity to actually add long term value. If you sign someone and get someone for Jansen, you could end up coming out ahead in the long run. If you don't really believe in the 2024 roster, I don't think Heaney is going to move the dial enough. Now if they don't sign another SP, then I could get behind it. That's fair and it'd be dependent on what the goal of 2024 is. Heaney doesn't necessarily move the needle a ton but he would seem to raise their floor and losing Jansen and replacing him with Whitlock/Houck/Winckowski or whoever theoretically could have ended up a starter that moves to the pen instead in the end means you probably don't lose anything in the pen. Could maybe replace Heaney with Dane Dunning who has three years of control left. That would almost assuredly cost them an extra prospect but he's an ML caliber SP who is controlled. Either way I do think that should the Sox want to move Jansen the Rangers one way or another make plenty of sense as a destination since they could use a shot to that bullpen. |
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Post by Addam603 on Jan 20, 2024 18:12:14 GMT -5
Texas just makes more and more sense as a destination for Jansen. Texas has always needed bullpen help and other than bringing in Kirby Yates, haven’t done anything of note. To top it off, the Angels got Stephenson and the Astros got Hader. Let’s hope they feel the pressure, especially as reigning champs, and make a good trade with us.
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Post by teddyballgame9 on Jan 20, 2024 18:40:07 GMT -5
Texas just makes more and more sense as a destination for Jansen. Texas has always needed bullpen help and other than bringing in Kirby Yates, haven’t done anything of note. To top it off, the Angels got Stephenson and the Astros got Hader. Let’s hope they feel the pressure, especially as reigning champs, and make a good trade with us. Just curious who you think would be a good return if they did trade with Texas? Rocker still intrigues me but I’m not too impressed with the rest of their top 15-20 that would be available. |
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Post by seanleary001 on Jan 21, 2024 9:04:17 GMT -5
Texas just makes more and more sense as a destination for Jansen. Texas has always needed bullpen help and other than bringing in Kirby Yates, haven’t done anything of note. To top it off, the Angels got Stephenson and the Astros got Hader. Let’s hope they feel the pressure, especially as reigning champs, and make a good trade with us. Just curious who you think would be a good return if they did trade with Texas? Rocker still intrigues me but I’m not too impressed with the rest of their top 15-20 that would be available. Antoine Kelly is a guy with nasty stuff who Texas was able to keep even though he was eligible the rule 5 draft. Don’t think you’re gonna get a potential starter for kenley and I don’t think you’ll get a bat with enough impact to make it worth it so I’d rather a high risk controllable relief arm with upside. |
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Post by sxfan on Feb 7, 2024 7:35:33 GMT -5
The Jansen rumors are dialing back up. Dodgers are the leading team to get him.
I wonder if there's a match in a trade for Tony Gonsolin or maybe perhaps Dustin May (less likely). Gonsolin is controllable 2 more years beyond 2024 season and seems like dead money to the Dodgers this year with his contract extension.
May is intriguing, but I'm sure the Dodgers are looking at him as a bullpen ace the next 2 years. The forearm issues are still a red flag for May. Gonsolin just got his fixed.
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 7, 2024 8:09:55 GMT -5
The Jansen rumors are dialing back up. Dodgers are the leading team to get him. I wonder if there's a match in a trade for Tony Gonsolin or maybe perhaps Dustin May (less likely). Gonsolin is controllable 2 more years beyond 2024 season and seems like dead money to the Dodgers this year with his contract extension. May is intriguing, but I'm sure the Dodgers are looking at him as a bullpen ace the next 2 years. The forearm issues are still a red flag for May. Gonsolin just got his fixed. Pass on either one of them, they're both made of glass and Gonsolin only has two years of control left and May only one after this year. That just doesn't line up well enough for the Sox future to make that type of deal. I'm on board with dealing Jansen but if it was to gamble on either one of those two I'd rather just gamble Jansen stays healthy and effective until the deadline and flip him when his value would probably be higher than it is today. |
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Post by sxfan on Feb 7, 2024 14:05:11 GMT -5
The Jansen rumors are dialing back up. Dodgers are the leading team to get him. I wonder if there's a match in a trade for Tony Gonsolin or maybe perhaps Dustin May (less likely). Gonsolin is controllable 2 more years beyond 2024 season and seems like dead money to the Dodgers this year with his contract extension. May is intriguing, but I'm sure the Dodgers are looking at him as a bullpen ace the next 2 years. The forearm issues are still a red flag for May. Gonsolin just got his fixed. Pass on either one of them, they're both made of glass and Gonsolin only has two years of control left and May only one after this year. That just doesn't line up well enough for the Sox future to make that type of deal. I'm on board with dealing Jansen but if it was to gamble on either one of those two I'd rather just gamble Jansen stays healthy and effective until the deadline and flip him when his value would probably be higher than it is today. How doesn't Gonsolin line up well in the future for the Sox if they traded for him? The Sox would be getting a all-star type of arm for two years, potentially replacing Pivetta's spot after this year. The injury history is kind of concerning, but he got hurt in 2022 and 2023 for the same elbow problem I'm assuming. I think this is probably the best trade to get something for Jansen and not even needing to pay down his contract. Just take Gonsolin instead. You pay down Jansen at any point this year and you're getting what? A low A ball arm that might never be heard from again instead of this kind of move? Either way I think a trade is likely after the 60 day IL opens up for the Dodgers soon or all MLB clubs. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Feb 7, 2024 14:12:21 GMT -5
Pass on either one of them, they're both made of glass and Gonsolin only has two years of control left and May only one after this year. That just doesn't line up well enough for the Sox future to make that type of deal. I'm on board with dealing Jansen but if it was to gamble on either one of those two I'd rather just gamble Jansen stays healthy and effective until the deadline and flip him when his value would probably be higher than it is today. How doesn't Gonsolin line up well in the future for the Sox if they traded for him? The Sox would be getting a all-star type of arm for two years, potentially replacing Pivetta's spot after this year. The injury history is kind of concerning, but he got hurt in 2022 and 2023 for the same elbow problem I'm assuming. I think this is probably the best trade to get something for Jansen and not even needing to pay down his contract. Just take Gonsolin instead. You pay down Jansen at any point this year and you're getting what? A low A ball arm that might never be heard from again instead of this kind of move? Either way I think a trade is likely after the 60 day IL opens up for the Dodgers soon or all MLB clubs. I wouldn't take a low A ball player for Jansen but in terms of gonsolin I just don't really see it. He's always hurt and see no reason to expect that to change. I'd personally pass on him. |
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Post by sxfan on Feb 14, 2024 1:52:20 GMT -5
The Sox aren't willing to pay down Kanley Jansen.
I still think the best deal for him is Gonsolin and the trade lines up perfectly on baseball trade values. I'm thinking the Sox take Gonsolin because they see it as a investment into 2025.
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Post by artfuldodger on Feb 14, 2024 9:26:17 GMT -5
I believe a Red Sox - Dodgers trade makes sense, and I also think that the Red Sox can not appear to be eating salary. With that in mind, a possible proposal would be:
Kenley Jansen and Nazzan Zanetello for Manuel Margot and Maddux Bruns (LHP who is Baseball America’s 10th ranked prospect in the Dodgers system).
The trade saves $6 million and gets a quality pitcher into the Red Sox system.
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Post by costpet on Feb 14, 2024 9:58:32 GMT -5
Let Theo decide. I trust him more than anyone else.
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Post by puzzler on Feb 14, 2024 10:04:18 GMT -5
I believe a Red Sox - Dodgers trade makes sense, and I also think that the Red Sox can not appear to be eating salary. With that in mind, a possible proposal would be: Kenley Jansen and Nazzan Zanetello for Manuel Margot and Maddux Bruns (LHP who is Baseball America’s 10th ranked prospect in the Dodgers system). The trade saves $6 million and gets a quality pitcher into the Red Sox system. If I was Breslow I'd hang up the phone on that trade before it even got to Bruns. Bruns himself has zero control which is exactly the type of pitcher Breslow says he doesn't want. I don't have any illusions as to what Jansen would bring back, but trading Zanetello for Margot so that you can get Bruns who has a career BB/9 over 7 seems like an awful idea. |
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