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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 15, 2023 14:01:41 GMT -5
Cubs seem interested in trading Morel as he has struggled defensively outside of 2nd base, where they have a gold glove defender.
He has a plus-plus arm, plus speed (plays up better) and has hit .241/.311/.471 over 854 PA as a 23/24yo (with a 31.6%! K%).
Houck or Whitlock may interest the Cubs in a deal. Pretty rare that a HOBO would discuss one of his major league players being on another team:
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 15, 2023 14:19:05 GMT -5
They're playing him at 1st this winter. You've got bobby Dalbec in Worcester and you don't need to give up any assets
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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 15, 2023 20:03:11 GMT -5
They're playing him at 1st this winter. You've got bobby Dalbec in Worcester and you don't need to give up any assets I'm confused - would you rather have Dalbec? Given Dalbec's early struggles i doubt he would fetch much in a swap if that's what you mean. They aren't comparable players in terms of quality, position or skill-set (aside for power and strikeouts) if that's what you're implying. Morel is getting playing time at 1st due to the Cubs not having a spot open at 2nd; but he's under 6' and right-handed while his best physical traits are speed and arm-strength, so it's not a good fit.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 16, 2023 15:51:47 GMT -5
Feeling seems to be that they'd want to use Morel as part of package to get a star. Generally I'm terrified of guys with a 37% whiff rate, but he hits the ball hard enough with enough frequency that it should play, especially in an up-the-middle spot. Don't see a trade fit, though.
Slightly bewildered as to what Dalbec has to do with it.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 16, 2023 17:25:43 GMT -5
Feeling seems to be that they'd want to use Morel as part of package to get a star. Generally I'm terrified of guys with a 37% whiff rate, but he hits the ball hard enough with enough frequency that it should play, especially in an up-the-middle spot. Don't see a trade fit, though. Slightly bewildered as to what Dalbec has to do with it. I was saying they don't need to be bringing in a horrific fielder with a 40% K rate, when they have one right down the street. Morel is not what this team needs.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 16, 2023 17:53:50 GMT -5
Player A (two MLB seasons): Decent 2B, 24 years old, .241/.311/.471, 31% K rate Player B (since 2021): 1B, 28 years old, .227/.290/.432, 35.2% K rate
Yeah now I see it, good call.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 16, 2023 22:04:05 GMT -5
Player A (two MLB seasons): Decent 2B, 24 years old, .241/.311/.471, 31% K rate Player B (since 2021): 1B, 28 years old, .227/.290/.432, 35.2% K rate Yeah now I see it, good call. Player A: -4 DRS in 55 games. Yeah now I see the decent fielder, good call
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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 16, 2023 23:13:45 GMT -5
Player A (two MLB seasons): Decent 2B, 24 years old, .241/.311/.471, 31% K rate Player B (since 2021): 1B, 28 years old, .227/.290/.432, 35.2% K rate Yeah now I see it, good call. Player A: -4 DRS in 55 games. Yeah now I see the decent fielder, good call But Dalbec is actually a decent enough fielder (-8 OAA in 2,127.1 innings at 4 positions) and Morel has been solid at 2nd base (but bad elsewhere). In 390 innings at 2b he is +1 DRS, +5.2 UZR/150 and -1 OAA. It's certainly reasonable to think that Morel won't continue being solid at 2nd as the sample is small (could even be Hoyer thinks this and that's why he's floating it to the media) or being wary of his high strikeout rate, but the Dalbec comparison doesn't fit (24yo Morel had a more than 3% better k% in MLB last year than 28yo Dalbec had in AAA). I just think he's interesting as a high-upside player who's available and has been solid defensively (so far) at a primary position of need. If you add up all of Morel's DRS from 2023, it comes to -4 (-4 OF, -1 3B, +1 2B). But penalizing a 2nd baseman for being a poor outfielder seems odd.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 16, 2023 23:19:22 GMT -5
Player A: -4 DRS in 55 games. Yeah now I see the decent fielder, good call But Dalbec is actually a decent enough fielder (-8 OAA in 2,127.1 innings at 4 positions) and Morel has been solid at 2nd base (but bad elsewhere). In 390 innings at 2b he is +1 DRS, +5.2 UZR/150 and -1 OAA. It's certainly reasonable to think that Morel won't continue being solid at 2nd as the sample is small (could even be Hoyer thinks this and that's why he's floating it to the media) or being wary of his high strikeout rate, but the Dalbec comparison doesn't fit (24yo Morel had a more than 3% better k% in MLB last year than 28yo Dalbec had in AAA). I just think he's interesting as a high-upside player who's available and has been solid defensively (so far) at a primary position of need. If you add up all of Morel's DRS from 2023, it comes to -4 (all from the OF). Morel had 61 games at DH
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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 16, 2023 23:22:15 GMT -5
But Dalbec is actually a decent enough fielder (-8 OAA in 2,127.1 innings at 4 positions) and Morel has been solid at 2nd base (but bad elsewhere). In 390 innings at 2b he is +1 DRS, +5.2 UZR/150 and -1 OAA. It's certainly reasonable to think that Morel won't continue being solid at 2nd as the sample is small (could even be Hoyer thinks this and that's why he's floating it to the media) or being wary of his high strikeout rate, but the Dalbec comparison doesn't fit (24yo Morel had a more than 3% better k% in MLB last year than 28yo Dalbec had in AAA). I just think he's interesting as a high-upside player who's available and has been solid defensively (so far) at a primary position of need. If you add up all of Morel's DRS from 2023, it comes to -4 (all from the OF). Morel had 61 games at DH I figured out where you got that number from but it doesn't fit what we're discussing.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 17, 2023 8:03:42 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of guys who K more than 30% of the time, just hate that type of baseball but that being said in 220 games his wRC+ is 114 at the MLB level and in 220 games he's put up 3fWAR. As others have pointed out he's played a fair amount of games at positions other than 2nd which is his best position fielding wise or so the numbers show. Theoretically if he was allowed to play most if not all his games at 2nd while keeping his wRC+ around 110 that is a solid 2nd baseman.
Not saying to trade for him but he offers a decent solution for 2nd base if the price isn't high on him.
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Post by cdj on Nov 17, 2023 14:29:06 GMT -5
He’s definitely a lot better than Dalbec, I believe we should all be able to begin there
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Nov 17, 2023 19:50:18 GMT -5
I could be misremembering and I hate doing “research” on my phone when it involves splits, but aren’t Morel’s numbers dramatically bolstered by a torrid hot start to this past season?
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 18, 2023 15:53:57 GMT -5
I could be misremembering and I hate doing “research” on my phone when it involves splits, but aren’t Morel’s numbers dramatically bolstered by a torrid hot start to this past season? Eh, I don't think that's quite a fair framing - his best month was May (he came up on 5/9) and he was terrible in August (.195 BABIP, so seemingly fluky), but he hit the rest of the year. Didn't quite put everything together again like May, but he was very productive - high OBP in July, big SLGs in June and September.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Nov 18, 2023 16:52:59 GMT -5
I could be misremembering and I hate doing “research” on my phone when it involves splits, but aren’t Morel’s numbers dramatically bolstered by a torrid hot start to this past season? Eh, I don't think that's quite a fair framing - his best month was May (he came up on 5/9) and he was terrible in August (.195 BABIP, so seemingly fluky), but he hit the rest of the year. Didn't quite put everything together again like May, but he was very productive - high OBP in July, big SLGs in June and September. 9 homers in his first 12 games of the season is what I was thinking of but, like you point out, wasn’t entirely buoyed by that.
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