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Post by kwodes on Aug 26, 2023 8:17:01 GMT -5
Just a thought here, what about a Verdugo for Robbie Ray trade? Seattle would have to either kick in a lot of $$ or extra pieces becauseof the TJ surgery, but could make sense. I believe Ray has 2 or 3 years left on his deal and Seattle has a surplus of SPs. Could add a top of the rotation starter and allow Abreu to slide in to an everyday role.
Not married to the idea, just spitballing and wanted to know other people's opinions.
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Post by notstarboard on Aug 27, 2023 9:19:34 GMT -5
Just a thought here, what about a Verdugo for Robbie Ray trade? Seattle would have to either kick in a lot of $$ or extra pieces becauseof the TJ surgery, but could make sense. I believe Ray has 2 or 3 years left on his deal and Seattle has a surplus of SPs. Could add a top of the rotation starter and allow Abreu to slide in to an everyday role. Not married to the idea, just spitballing and wanted to know other people's opinions. I don't hate it. I'm not the biggest believer in Ray, but if the price and/or prospects are right, I would happily roll the dice on him recovering from TJ. Also, fun fact: Chris Sale is the current all-time leader in K/9. Robbie Ray is #2, only .04 K/9 behind. It would be a blast to have them on the same staff. That's one way to reduce the impact of a weak defense; just strike everyone out!  I do think the defense will improve going forward, but still. |
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Post by kwodes on Aug 27, 2023 10:38:18 GMT -5
Just a thought here, what about a Verdugo for Robbie Ray trade? Seattle would have to either kick in a lot of $$ or extra pieces becauseof the TJ surgery, but could make sense. I believe Ray has 2 or 3 years left on his deal and Seattle has a surplus of SPs. Could add a top of the rotation starter and allow Abreu to slide in to an everyday role. Not married to the idea, just spitballing and wanted to know other people's opinions. I don't hate it. I'm not the biggest believer in Ray, but if the price and/or prospects are right, I would happily roll the dice on him recovering from TJ. Also, fun fact: Chris Sale is the current all-time leader in K/9. Robbie Ray is #2, only .04 K/9 behind. It would be a blast to have them on the same staff. That's one way to reduce the impact of a weak defense; just strike everyone out! I do think the defense will improve going forward, but still. I think it's pretty low risk/high reward. You'd be trading a current starting RF with only 1 yr left (and with someone ready to step in), for a potential ace with 3/73 left on his deal. He'd miss all of, or most of, year 1 of that deal so Seattle would have to chip in one of: prospects/a reliever/$$$, but 2 yrs of a subsidized Robbie Ray for 1 yr of Verdugo would be an ideal trade in my mind. Limited risk if Ray doesn't work out. If it was straight up without Seattle chipping in more, idk if I would do it. |
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Aug 27, 2023 16:11:47 GMT -5
Just a thought here, what about a Verdugo for Robbie Ray trade? Seattle would have to either kick in a lot of $$ or extra pieces becauseof the TJ surgery, but could make sense. I believe Ray has 2 or 3 years left on his deal and Seattle has a surplus of SPs. Could add a top of the rotation starter and allow Abreu to slide in to an everyday role. Not married to the idea, just spitballing and wanted to know other people's opinions. I will start out by saying up front that I do not want to see Verdugo traded, I want him to be extended. As far as a Verdugo trade for Roy, that is the level of talent the Sox should get back for Dougie. The guy is a hell of a pitcher. I'd prefer a pitcher not coming off injury though. |
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Post by nomar on Aug 31, 2023 9:40:37 GMT -5
A Verdugo trade wouldn’t shock me.
I also wouldn’t rule out selling high on Duran, who has a ton of control, but outperformed his xwOBA and had a high BABIP. A trade involving him for a controllable 2B would make a lot of sense to me. McNeil, Donovan, etc come to mind there
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Post by SlugLife on Oct 6, 2023 8:32:59 GMT -5
Looking at teams likely to contend in 2024 who need an upgrade in RF, the Guardians seem like a good fit for Verdugo. They also have a surplus of young infielders, and infielder Tyler Freeman appears to be behind Gimenez, Rocchio, and Arias in the MI depth chart.
FWIW, Freeman for Verdugo is a pretty even trade on Baseball Trade Value, and would give the Red Sox another option at 2B, especially if Urias is non-tendered.
Freeman did not have a great year in 2023 but has a high enough ceiling that he could start at 2B in 2024 and perhaps move to a utility role in 2025 and beyond.
Edit: a very similar trade could be to the Braves, who have a hole in left field, for Vaughn Grissom, a similar player to Freeman who doesn't have a path to a starting job in Atlanta.
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Post by jdb on Oct 6, 2023 8:36:42 GMT -5
It will be interesting to follow. I wouldn’t think only contenders would be after him. He isn’t too terribly expensive and with a change of scenery someone could flip him after a hot start.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 6, 2023 8:50:10 GMT -5
Looking at teams likely to contend in 2024 who need an upgrade in RF, the Guardians seem like a good fit for Verdugo. They also have a surplus of young infielders, and infielder Tyler Freeman appears to be behind Gimenez, Rocchio, and Arias in the MI depth chart. FWIW, Freeman for Verdugo is a pretty even trade on Baseball Trade Value, and would give the Red Sox another option at 2B, especially if Urias is non-tendered. Freeman did not have a great year in 2023 but has a high enough ceiling that he could start at 2B in 2024 and perhaps move to a utility role in 2025 and beyond. Edit: a very similar trade could be to the Braves, who have a hole in left field, for Vaughn Grissom, a similar player to Freeman who doesn't have a path to a starting job in Atlanta. Vaughn Grissom might be the only second baseman worse defensively than Valdez |
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Post by SlugLife on Oct 6, 2023 9:48:33 GMT -5
Looking at teams likely to contend in 2024 who need an upgrade in RF, the Guardians seem like a good fit for Verdugo. They also have a surplus of young infielders, and infielder Tyler Freeman appears to be behind Gimenez, Rocchio, and Arias in the MI depth chart. FWIW, Freeman for Verdugo is a pretty even trade on Baseball Trade Value, and would give the Red Sox another option at 2B, especially if Urias is non-tendered. Freeman did not have a great year in 2023 but has a high enough ceiling that he could start at 2B in 2024 and perhaps move to a utility role in 2025 and beyond. Edit: a very similar trade could be to the Braves, who have a hole in left field, for Vaughn Grissom, a similar player to Freeman who doesn't have a path to a starting job in Atlanta. Vaughn Grissom might be the only second baseman worse defensively than Valdez Can you elaborate? His scouting reports all suggest at least an average glove, and the Braves gave him a shot to win their starting SS job this spring, which seems very "un-Braves" if he is worse than noted defensive liability Enmanuel Valdez. |
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Oct 6, 2023 9:53:59 GMT -5
Vaughn Grissom might be the only second baseman worse defensively than Valdez Can you elaborate? His scouting reports all suggest at least an average glove, and the Braves gave him a shot to win their starting SS job this spring, which seems very "un-Braves" if he is worse than noted defensive liability Enmanuel Valdez. It's pretty widely known that he's a below avg defender, and it's one of the main reasons he wasn't on the Braves 26 for most of the year in at least a utility role. He's a butcher in the field. baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/vaughn-grissom-687093?stats=statcast-r-fielding-mlb |
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Post by soxaddict on Oct 7, 2023 18:45:09 GMT -5
Alex Verdugo for Gleyber Torres makes perfect sense for both teams. Both players are under team control for one more season.
For the Red Sox, solidifies 2B for the 2024 season, and gives them a much needed RH bat at the top/middle of the order. Sox could go with some combination of Abreu and Rafaela in RF.
For the MFY, gives them a solid LF for the 2024 season, and gives them a much needed LH bat at the top/middle of the order. MFY could go with DJ or Peraza at 2B.
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Post by asm19 on Oct 9, 2023 20:35:45 GMT -5
Some notable position players who, like Alex Verdugo, have expiring deals after 2024:
INF:
Tim Anderson - CHW
Brandon Drury - LAA
Jorge Polanco - MIN
Gleyber Torres - NYY
Wily Adames - MIL
Ha-Seong Kim - SDP
OF:
Santander - BAL
Tyler O’Neill - STL
I feel like you’re more likely to get another position player like the ones above with one year left for Verdugo - as opposed to someone being willing to provide a starting pitcher or any type of prospect of note for 1 year/10 mil of an average OF who has seemingly worn out his welcome.
Ha-Seong Kim or Wily Adames (move him to 2B?) would be great gets to fill the hole at 2B for next year. Maybe the most realistic is Brandon Drury? If you wanted to get crazy you could bet on a Tim Anderson bounceback… but my God did he look awful this year
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Post by jdb on Nov 28, 2023 9:38:52 GMT -5
With the Mariners having pitching depth would anyone trade Verdugo for Ray + either Woo or Miller? Ray should be ready by the all star break and has 3 years and 73M left with an opt out after this year. If he shows he healthy in the second half he may opt out of 2 and 50M left.
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Post by nomar on Nov 28, 2023 10:40:53 GMT -5
With the Mariners having pitching depth would anyone trade Verdugo for Ray + either Woo or Miller? Ray should be ready by the all star break and has 3 years and 73M left with an opt out after this year. If he shows he healthy in the second half he may opt out of 2 and 50M left. I would take this trade in a millisecond which means it’s probably too little to give up. Woo and Miller have a ton of control and are already valuable as starters. One of those alone seems like a lot to give up for one year of Verdugo even if you take on Ray’s full salary. |
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Nov 28, 2023 11:55:30 GMT -5
Seeing the Braves connection last week, I wonder if Verdugo for Ian Anderson would work. Anderson has 3 years of control left (2.5 with his TJ rehab). It would be a risky move but would offer mid season depth for the team and allow Breslow to churn the 40th spot once Anderson gets placed on the 60 day. The Braves would lock up the best OF in 2024.
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Post by jdb on Nov 28, 2023 13:50:07 GMT -5
Lot of reports today is that Snell wants to go to Seattle. Maybe adding a young arm and clearing Ray off the books could work.
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Post by nomar on Nov 29, 2023 11:29:27 GMT -5
Lot of reports today is that Snell wants to go to Seattle. Maybe adding a young arm and clearing Ray off the books could work. I just saw that report and was coming back to this thread to tell you that you might be onto something, particularly because I bet they’d want to offload a contract if they were to ever take Snell’s new one on. |
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Post by SlugLife on Dec 31, 2023 7:26:56 GMT -5
Vaughn Grissom might be the only second baseman worse defensively than Valdez Looks like we'll get to find out! |
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