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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 22, 2013 18:57:36 GMT -5
That team is a load right now but there is talent. Whoever comes in has something to start with.
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Post by jmei on Aug 22, 2013 19:56:44 GMT -5
Process and results. Aren't these owners supposed to be successful businessmen?
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Post by bluechip on Aug 22, 2013 20:08:35 GMT -5
alex anthopoulos job security should be tied to the results of this season. He committed big money and a lot of prospects to building this very lousy team.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 22, 2013 21:21:16 GMT -5
If I was the owner of the blue jays I would fire the GM before I axe the manager. And I would fire the GM at the end of the season I see the shine is off yet another shiny new toy. Throw him in the dumpster with Jack Z, I guess... To be fair to AA, he made some trades that made me go "yeah, okay, that could work". From the second Jack Z signed Chone friggin Figgins his time as a potentially good manager was over.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 22, 2013 23:34:51 GMT -5
I see the shine is off yet another shiny new toy. Throw him in the dumpster with Jack Z, I guess... To be fair to AA, he made some trades that made me go "yeah, okay, that could work". From the second Jack Z signed Chone friggin Figgins his time as a potentially good manager was over. But... defensive metrics!It's a wonder no front office has snapped Dave Cameron up... Anyway, moving on from the Jack Z shitshow... as far as AA goes, I still think he's a good GM who made some ballsy moves this offseason (which everyone -- EVERYONE -- loved at the time) that pretty much all blew up in his face. I do want to poke a little fun at the people who insisted that the Red Sox needed to poach him from Toronto if they ever wanted to compete again, and yes, that was really a thing. I think that the difference between these guys are far smaller than people imagine, especially when you're talking about the better GMs in the league. Someone like Dayton Moore might be lagging behind the pack significantly, but when you're talking about the smartest GM/front office in the game versus the tenth smartest, I think the difference is pretty small. Small enough to be swamped by the "oh hey, turns out Stephan Drew is actually going to be a more productive shortstop than Jose Reyes this year" randomness that is inherent to baseball.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 22, 2013 23:45:20 GMT -5
True that, and AA got swallowed up by randomness and bad luck. His team is toast and he will most likely take the blame. I'm not sure it's doable, but I would love if the Red Sox hire him in some capacity within the Front Office.
I'd also take the chance to praise BC some, he has being doing a tremendous work (even with questionable trades for relievers). I like how he avoids being "flashy" and instead makes smart smaller moves that will never get much love from Dave Cameron (thank God). Let's see how he goes from here.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 23, 2013 10:36:31 GMT -5
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 23, 2013 15:41:24 GMT -5
I didn't think it was possible to say these words, but man, Mets fans deserve better.
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Post by jmei on Aug 23, 2013 21:18:52 GMT -5
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 26, 2013 14:57:56 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Aug 26, 2013 15:22:11 GMT -5
TINSTAPP
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 26, 2013 15:28:21 GMT -5
That really sucks.
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Post by elguapo on Aug 26, 2013 15:50:12 GMT -5
I'd also take the chance to praise BC some, he has being doing a tremendous work (even with questionable trades for relievers). He'd probably have been praised from the get-go but for the Bobby V cluster* which made a lot of people look bad (deservedly).
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 26, 2013 16:23:37 GMT -5
Should be changed to TINSTAP: There Is No Such Thing As A Pitcher.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 26, 2013 16:24:40 GMT -5
Translation: he needs Tommy John surgery.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 26, 2013 17:08:01 GMT -5
Interesting to contrast this story with the exceptional BP piece from Gabe Kapler. Kapler earns the right to his opinions thanks to the brutally honest way he deals with himself. He knows who he is and that understanding gives him pause in judging others harshly. As Chris made clear, it's exceptional, with great writing, fantastic insights, and a clear call to bring knowledge and science to bear on the issue of steroid use. Tough times for the Angels, really tough. Sounds as if Moreno doesn't have the same perceptive power, the gift of knowing what you don't know and admitting it to yourself and others. That, to my mind, is real leadership. The front office has been taken apart, and what remains turned into a sweat shop operation. The best organizations work as a real team, just like a good ballclub. We've got a local electric Co-Op that services a very large but very sparse area. For years there was little in the way of creative thought about the future of the power market and, to judge by the way the offices responded to requests, a real fear of the manager and his minions. Sounds like the Angels of Anaheim writ small. Too bad. You don't want to build a business model everyone is afraid to live with.
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Post by templeusox on Aug 26, 2013 18:16:45 GMT -5
Reymond Fuentes gets the call to the majors.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 26, 2013 21:30:15 GMT -5
Reymond Fuentes gets the call to the majors. No choice after he ripped up two levels. Might someday belong up there with Rizzo when it comes to what the Sox gave up in that trade. Tuscon and San Antonio are both hitters parks so we'll see how it translates.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 26, 2013 21:47:58 GMT -5
Reymond Fuentes gets the call to the majors. No choice after he ripped up two levels. Might someday belong up there with Rizzo when it comes to what the Sox gave up in that trade. Tuscon and San Antonio are both hitters parks so we'll see how it translates. Hopefully so. Amarista isn't exactly a great CF, but more suited as a utility type, Mayben returned to flop status he was with the Fish when SD gave him that LT deal. Fuentes has the opportunity and SD has the need.
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Post by elguapo on Aug 27, 2013 8:38:33 GMT -5
as far as AA goes, I still think he's a good GM who made some ballsy moves this offseason (which everyone -- EVERYONE -- loved at the time) that pretty much all blew up in his face. Not everyone loved all of them. Travis d'Arnaud for a knuckleballer - and I love me a good knuckler - was seen as a risky proposition and maybe the biggest short term/long term tradeoff. Oh, and the Melky sign-the-steroid-user-who's-never-performed-without-them move was just begging to fail. And some of the smaller moves he made - I bet he would have liked a useful guy like Carlos Villanueva back on this year's staff, for example - were questionable at the time. I still like AA, but let's not pretend the plan for the Jays this year wasn't extra-risky to start with. Great potential on paper, but --
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 27, 2013 13:27:58 GMT -5
Pirates acquire Marlon Byrd, John Buck for Dilson Herrera and a PTBNL.
Pirates needed OF help, their RF production has been pretty bad, so they needed to do something to keep up in the race. Buck I guess they needed a back up catcher.
Herrera is a nice return for the Mets. He has some pop for a middle infielder.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 27, 2013 15:20:01 GMT -5
Herrera is a nice return for the Mets. He has some pop for a middle infielder. What the Mets really need is someone with a really strong UCL willing to donate it to Matt Harvey.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 27, 2013 20:19:49 GMT -5
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Post by elguapo on Aug 27, 2013 21:24:48 GMT -5
Just another reminder how throwing at guys is no big deal... Wow - Happ threw at Cano intentionally? And all those other HBP were intentional, too? And the foul tip - was that intentional as well? Someone is sure out to get the Yankees! Apparently Cano has a bruise. Are we supposed to care every time a ballplayer gets a booboo?
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 27, 2013 21:39:27 GMT -5
Wow, there truly is stupid and "Yankees fan stupid".
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