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Post by bluechip on Jul 22, 2013 10:53:23 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Jul 22, 2013 16:14:23 GMT -5
Jeff Passan ?@jeffpassan 3m Source: Final deal will be Matt Garza for three players as well as a player to be named later. 3B Mike Olt confirmed as one player.
Jeff Passan ?@jeffpassan 2m Pitcher C.J. Edwards confirmed as another player, as @ken_Rosenthal reported. So it's Garza for Olt, Edwards, one unconfirmed player, PTBNL.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 22, 2013 16:17:11 GMT -5
What was Texas thinking?
Maybe they talked to him and know they can lock him up?
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Post by rangoon82 on Jul 22, 2013 16:19:18 GMT -5
Nice work by Theo snagging Olt for a Garza rental
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 22, 2013 16:38:38 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal ?@ken_Rosenthal 17s #Brewers’ Braun suspended for rest of season, according to MLB. Effective immediately. Evan Drellich ? evandrellich 33s Braun's statement via MLB: "I realize now that I have made some mistakes. I am willing to accept the consequences of those actions."
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 22, 2013 16:42:55 GMT -5
Braun you fraud!!!
Can someone breakdown if the Sox got Garza what is the equlivalent to what the Rangers gave up? What would the Sox have given up to get him?
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Post by jmei on Jul 22, 2013 16:43:06 GMT -5
Wow.
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Post by jmei on Jul 22, 2013 16:48:13 GMT -5
Braun you fraud!!! Can someone breakdown if the Sox got Garza what is the equlivalent to what the Rangers gave up? What would the Sox have given up to get him? Haven't really thought this through, but a rough equivalent might be Middlebrooks (Olt), Workman (Grimm), Brian Johnson (Edwards), and a PTBNL. So a lot.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 22, 2013 16:49:35 GMT -5
Braun you fraud!!! Can someone breakdown if the Sox got Garza what is the equlivalent to what the Rangers gave up? What would the Sox have given up to get him?I'd say something like Middlebrooks, Workman and Ty Buttrey type. But Edwards is someone who lots of scouts think will end up in the pen which hurts his value. Not exactly a great comparison since WMB is younger than Olt, but the best I can think of.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 22, 2013 16:52:02 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal ?@ken_Rosenthal 17s #Brewers’ Braun suspended for rest of season, according to MLB. Effective immediately. Evan Drellich ? evandrellich 33s Braun's statement via MLB: "I realize now that I have made some mistakes. I am willing to accept the consequences of those actions." I hope whomever Braun and his crew claimed messed up his samples got a good smile out of this news.
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Post by bsout2 on Jul 22, 2013 16:52:25 GMT -5
Braun you fraud!!! Can someone breakdown if the Sox got Garza what is the equlivalent to what the Rangers gave up? What would the Sox have given up to get him? I would say Olt=Cecchini Grimm=Webster Edwards=Owens?
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Post by ray88h66 on Jul 22, 2013 16:55:51 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal ?@ken_Rosenthal 17s #Brewers’ Braun suspended for rest of season, according to MLB. Effective immediately. Evan Drellich ? evandrellich 33s Braun's statement via MLB: "I realize now that I have made some mistakes. I am willing to accept the consequences of those actions." That sounds like a deal was made. Hopefully Arod is next to go.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 22, 2013 17:07:23 GMT -5
Did people really need this to know Braun was a fraud? There was no mishandling of the sample that could have possibly resulted in a false positive. He'a a joke and a complete asshole for publicly humiliating the poor guy who made a simple mistake that had no bearing on test results. Braun acted like they did and crusified the guy. He got off easy again but at least he's clearly a fraud. Baffles me people needed this for that but at least there is that.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jul 22, 2013 17:18:41 GMT -5
Buster Onley says the others will fall like dominoes.
For the young guys wanting to compare this to speed in the 70's. There was no testing then. These guys thumbed their noses at baseball and I'm glad they will pay.
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Post by bjb406 on Jul 22, 2013 17:23:37 GMT -5
Braun you fraud!!! Can someone breakdown if the Sox got Garza what is the equlivalent to what the Rangers gave up? What would the Sox have given up to get him? I would say Olt=Cecchini Grimm=Webster Edwards=Owens? more like Olt<Cecchini Grimm<Webster Edwards<Owens still though, more than I would be willing to give up
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Post by danr on Jul 22, 2013 17:27:52 GMT -5
Well, I'm glad that is over with. I don't like trades for rentals generally, and, I especially didn't like the idea of Garza. The Rangers got him for a pretty cheap price, at least on first glance, but Epstein knows the Sox system too well for the Sox to get away that cheaply.
I'd rather take a chance on Peavy, although if Buchholz can pitch effectively through some pain, that may not be necessary. Another RP probably pops to the top of the list now.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 22, 2013 17:32:32 GMT -5
Thanks guys, that deal is crazy. Benny good job saying no.
I tell you it feels good knowing we could get anyone we wanted. I mean we could be in on any trade thats a good feeling.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 22, 2013 18:09:52 GMT -5
Can someone breakdown if the Sox got Garza what is the equlivalent to what the Rangers gave up? What would the Sox have given up to get him? Middlebrooks, Workman and Buttrey would be a rough equivalent.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 22, 2013 18:11:48 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal ?@ken_Rosenthal 17s #Brewers’ Braun suspended for rest of season, according to MLB. Effective immediately. Evan Drellich ? evandrellich 33s Braun's statement via MLB: "I realize now that I have made some mistakes. I am willing to accept the consequences of those actions." That sounds like a deal was made. Hopefully Arod is next to go. Of course a deal was made. Braun is hurt, he makes a lot more money next year and the Brewers are out of the race. He made the deal to try to clear the slate this year and minimize the consequences to him and his team.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jul 22, 2013 18:25:39 GMT -5
That sounds like a deal was made. Hopefully Arod is next to go. Of course a deal was made. Braun is hurt, he makes a lot more money next year and the Brewers are out of the race. He made the deal to try to clear the slate this year and minimize the consequences to him and his team. Not sure what you're position was amfox. But most of the experts on here assured me no suspensions would happen this year. The union would never allow it. Also , I'm sure he tried to minimize the consequences to himself. If you think he cares about his team good for you.
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Post by Gwell55 on Jul 22, 2013 18:44:28 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal ?@ken_Rosenthal 17s #Brewers’ Braun suspended for rest of season, according to MLB. Effective immediately. Evan Drellich ? evandrellich 33s Braun's statement via MLB: "I realize now that I have made some mistakes. I am willing to accept the consequences of those actions." I hope whomever Braun and his crew claimed messed up his samples got a good smile out of this news. That isn't enough from what happened! My son worked as a medical courier for awhile after he got laid off from a job after 5 yrs working there. These medical couriers do alot of work driving and such with most in their own vehicle getting samples back and forth. When someone misses a day deadline here, the protocol is to keep the samples in the case and get them refrigerated immediately until they can be shipped and/or delivered. Low pay and doesn't guarantee to cover all the vehicle costs of the driver even. Now the guy got fired that tried to get this sample protected when circumstances caused it not to be shipped as soon as it was supposed to be as I remember reading after Braun got away with his non-suspension. Braun needs to man up and apologize personally to the guy and should be paying him compensation for his loss as all he was (a lower classed working guy) got stripped from him and you can bet he hurt bad from it! Personally I would make braun pay a million tax free to the guy if I had MLB's power over this!
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Post by ray88h66 on Jul 22, 2013 18:56:28 GMT -5
I hope whomever Braun and his crew claimed messed up his samples got a good smile out of this news. That isn't enough from what happened! My son worked as a medical courier for awhile after he got laid off from a job after 5 yrs working there. These medical couriers do alot of work driving and such with most in their own vehicle getting samples back and forth. When someone misses a day deadline here, the protocol is to keep the samples in the case and get them refrigerated immediately until they can be shipped and/or delivered. Low pay and doesn't guarantee to cover all the vehicle costs of the driver even. Now the guy got fired that tried to get this sample protected when circumstances caused it not to be shipped as soon as it was supposed to be as I remember reading after Braun got away with his non-suspension. Braun needs to man up and apologize personally to the guy and should be paying him compensation for his loss as all he was (a lower classed working guy) got stripped from him and you can bet he hurt bad from it! Personally I would make braun pay a million tax free to the guy if I had MLB's power over this! Amen, Braun cost a man his job to protect himself. If baseball doesn't step up, I hope the guy cleans him out in civil court.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 22, 2013 19:05:05 GMT -5
Of course a deal was made. Braun is hurt, he makes a lot more money next year and the Brewers are out of the race. He made the deal to try to clear the slate this year and minimize the consequences to him and his team. Not sure what you're position was amfox. But most of the experts on here assured me no suspensions would happen this year. The union would never allow it. Also , I'm sure he tried to minimize the consequences to himself. If you think he cares about his team good for you. I thought most everyone would appeal, pushing it out to next year. Braun obviously didn't want that result for personal (and team) reasons, as noted in my previous post. Not defending Braun, who now gets thrown into the Lance Armstrong dumpster of history.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jul 22, 2013 19:15:59 GMT -5
Not sure what you're position was amfox. But most of the experts on here assured me no suspensions would happen this year. The union would never allow it. Also , I'm sure he tried to minimize the consequences to himself. If you think he cares about his team good for you. I thought most everyone would appeal, pushing it out to next year. Braun obviously didn't want that result for personal (and team) reasons, as noted in my previous post. Not defending Braun, who now gets thrown into the Lance Armstrong dumpster of history. Thanks for the explanation.
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Post by mredsox89 on Jul 22, 2013 19:27:56 GMT -5
Yea, the reason no one thought there would be suspensions in 2013 was the appeals process. If anyone appeals it will likely carry over until next season. But Braun has no reason to appeal. He's hurt, his team blows, and he's owed a ton of money over the rest of his contract. Take the blow now and try to rebuild his career fresh to start next season
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