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Post by mobaz on Feb 23, 2015 13:42:49 GMT -5
There's always that elusive mistress Lottery Luck to hope for. One of these years she has to come through...
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 24, 2015 9:41:44 GMT -5
Be?ides Okafor who would you guys want most out if this draft?
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Post by xxdamgoodxx on Feb 24, 2015 10:21:18 GMT -5
Realistically, I want Willie Cauley-Stein. I think that he's going to be a starter from day 1 because of his defensive abilities and he, like Thomas, fills a major need (rim protection) as soon as you get him. I think he will fit in the motion offense because he can move extremely well and he can set strong picks. He's a monster in transition and he could grow into a decent offensive player. I love that he stayed at Kentucky because he has already developed for two more years than his draft counterparts making it like he signed a 6-year rookie contract. I think Ainge's end goal is to have young, good to better players on good contracts at every position, to maintain maximum flexibility and WCS would fit really well.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 26, 2015 15:28:43 GMT -5
I mean, Ainge also traded Tayshaun Prince for two inferior players to save a little cash and open up playing time for James Young. There's no chance he trades the best SF on the roster for basically nothing in return if he's focused on winning as soon as possible. I think he didn't trade Bass because noone ever made a legit play for him-- I don't think I remember reading one team even rumored to be interested in him, and his $6.9m salary would have been hard for any team to match without sending back longer-term salary, which Boston wouldn't be willing to take. Coach Stevens is under contract for four more years, so that certainly isn't a factor the front office is taking into account. Ainge is an opportunistic guy who will take whatever is out there rather than dogmatically committing to one path or another, so you can't rule anything out. But I would be very surprised if he pulls a 2009 Pistons and blows his hard-earned cap space on mid-tier guys like DeAndre Jordan. From a talent stand point that trade was a wash at best, heck you could argue we got back the best player Jonas Jarebko in the deal. Danny did it to save money and open up more minutes for Crowder and Young. This wasn't a talent dump. Also our best SF was Crowder not Prince. Don't be fooled by a few good games, look at his numbers for the last couple of years. Sure he can have a good game here and there but he is old and a shell of what he was.
As for Bass if you couldn't trade him and we won't resign him like so many poster on this board think. Why don't we buy him out? We could save a good amount of money this way and really increase our chances in the lottery. This is why I believe Danny when he says he might resign Bass and if you resign him that means your trying to make the playoffs and not trying for a lottery pick!
What does Stevens being under contract for 4 more years have to do with him leaving?? I'm worried he goes back to College if the right elite program comes calling and he is just sick and tired of losing. He can simply walk away from the Celtics due to health or family and then a few month later accept a college job.
Danny will not be like the 2009 Pistons, he is a lot better GM. That being said DeAndre Jordan is a lot better then either player the Piston signed. I mean It's not even close. Ben Gordon was basically Thomas, but got paid three times as much. Thomas might be better then Gordon. Charlie Villanueva has always had a crap load of talent, but he is not motivated and can't be coached. Neither of those players were every considered top 10 players at their positions like Jordan is. Add to the fact that Jordan is a top ten players at center when the NBA is currently weak at center. Have you seen what he has been doing since Blake went down? Last 5 games he has averaged 18.4 points, 17.8 rebounds, 1.8 blocks and 1.6 steals. That's mid-tier? Sure he's not a franchise player, but for me he's a notch below, not a mid-tier player. Robin Lopez is a player I would call Mid Tier, not Jordan.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 26, 2015 15:40:46 GMT -5
Sacramento got George Karl; Detroit got Bobby Jackson and Indiana might get Paul George back. Not the only lottery team who might get better. Also, Danny being "on the record" about re-signing Bass . . . regardless of what happens next do you honestly think he'd say something different? You're trying to get the most value for him and telling teams that he won't be available via buyout plays into that. Not saying that a buyout is coming but believing what a GM says in the days/weeks leading up to a trade deadline is a fairly silly thing to do. After all, with about an hour left in the deadline, the C's weren't going to make any trades. Look at what I said, I said rebuilding teams, not lottery teams! Both the Kings and Pistons want to make the playoffs, they are on record saying as much. As for the Pacers they didn't make a move to get better, they are just getting an injured player back. We were the only rebuilding team to get better. We got very lucky that Sullinger is now out for season as it should off set the Thomas addition.
If you go back and look at Danny's comments he has been talking about resigning Bass for months, not just the last few weeks before the trade deadline. Now it could have been an act to try and get something for Bass. But if Bass isn't in Danny's long term plans then he would do the player a favor and buy him out, while also saving the Celtics money. This would also help the teams lottery position and allow them to bring in a young player and give him a look. Now if he isn't bought out, chances are Bass might be in the Celtics long term plans and resigned.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 26, 2015 17:05:36 GMT -5
Be?ides Okafor who would you guys want most out if this draft? Stanley Johnson is the guy I really want. |
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Post by jmei on Feb 26, 2015 17:28:39 GMT -5
It is difficult to make a serious argument that Jerebko is a upgrade on Prince. The Pistons are unabashedly trying to make the playoffs, so by making that trade (and taking on extra salary to do so), they certainly would seem to agree with me on that one. That transaction absolutely made the Celtics worse. It takes two to negotiate a buyout, and Brandon Bass has openly declared that he's not interested in pursuing one. Ainge has only mentioned re-signing Bass once in the leadup to the trade deadline, and that's a tactic GMs frequently take with pending free agents in order to try and establish some leverage in trade talks. Hell, even if he does re-sign Bass, it doesn't mean the Celtics are going all-in, and Ainge might just like the idea of having Bass' professionalism and work ethic around on a rebuilding team (something he has mentioned multiple times in interviews going back to the Pierce/Garnett trade). Stevens signed a six-year-deal with the understanding that he'd be presiding over a rebuilding process. He has recently reaffirmed his desire to stick with that process and disclaimed interest in going back to the college ranks. I don't think this is a factor that should be weighed heavily in determining whether or not to start signing free agents this summer. Jordan might be a little better than Gordon/Villanueva (though not by as much as you're suggesting-- both were very well regarded back then), but he's also going to get paid a lot more, even after you factor in inflation. To sign him away from the Clippers (a team he's happy with and one that will be very motivated to re-sign him, considering their cap situation), you're going to have to basically offer the max contract, and Jordan is not a max contract player. Remember, Ainge traded Rondo because he didn't want to pay him the max-- he's not going to turn around and now offer that money to Jordan. |
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Post by 1mpaz10 on Feb 27, 2015 6:54:07 GMT -5
Be?ides Okafor who would you guys want most out if this draft? Stanley Johnson is the guy I really want. I would have to agree there. It's close between him and WCS, but this guy's potential is through the roof |
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Post by texs31 on Feb 27, 2015 10:21:14 GMT -5
Has anyone seen Devin Booker play much? I like his scouting report (outside of the athleticism critiques) but haven't seen him play much.
The draft's best shooter who has elite basketball IQ and is a solid defender (if that report accurately reflects his abilities) sounds good to me.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 27, 2015 18:21:38 GMT -5
Has anyone seen Devin Booker play much? I like his scouting report (outside of the athleticism critiques) but haven't seen him play much. The draft's best shooter who has elite basketball IQ and is a solid defender (if that report accurately reflects his abilities) sounds good to me. He's solid - really good shooter and has perfect size for the position, but does nothing else. |
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Post by texs31 on Feb 27, 2015 20:03:48 GMT -5
Gotcha. I guess hoping that scouting report turns into Klay Thompson every time is wishful thinking huh? (And if it did, he wouldn't be available at that part of the lottery).
PS I could be off on the idea that it was a similar report for KT. Just seem to remember it that way but . . .
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 27, 2015 20:27:51 GMT -5
Gotcha. I guess hoping that scouting report turns into Klay Thompson every time is wishful thinking huh? (And if it did, he wouldn't be available at that part of the lottery). PS I could be off on the idea that it was a similar report for KT. Just seem to remember it that way but . . . You never know, but I doubt it. Booker's averaging under 2 rebounds per game, which is hard to do in college as a 6-foot-6 guard/forward. And he's far from an impressive passer either. |
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Post by bookiemetts on Feb 27, 2015 22:35:09 GMT -5
Stanley Johnson is the guy I really want. I would have to agree there. It's close between him and WCS, but this guy's potential is through the roof I would rather have D'Angelo Russell from Ohio State. He's a ridiculous all around offensive player. The thing is he's probably gone by the time the Celtics pick. I will say that I am very happy with how the team is playing now. They're so much fun to watch and Brad Stevens is doing a terrific job. I think Danny made some great moves at the trade deadline, and the team will probably be the 8 seed. |
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Post by texs31 on Feb 28, 2015 8:12:47 GMT -5
Well sure. But he'll be gone in the top 4. I think we were looking at guys who have a better chance of being available in the middle to late lottery (where Boston is likely picking).
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 1, 2015 13:00:30 GMT -5
Don't forget that the Celtics have the luxury of developing a solid team and have another team losing for them since they have the Nets picks...
That doesn't mean you waste cap space by over paying a guy like Jordan, but having a bunch of young talent that wins isn't a bad think for the rebuild. Everyone playing right now, except Bass is a young developing player... Not sure how that's a bad thing.
And for all those people who love Klay Thompson don't forget he was picked number 11. Paul Pierce was 10th in his draft. Paul george was later. It goes on and on. Danny Ainge is a good drafter overall so it's not overly important to have a top 3 type pick. Check out the last 5 years of picks 2-6...
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Post by texs31 on Mar 2, 2015 9:21:49 GMT -5
Yeah. Spending on Jordan isn't the type of "wait for a great deal to come your way" move that Danny seems to be waiting for. It wouldn't suprise me if he went into this year's deadline thinking he was going to sell off people just to create time for the youth and then the Thomas deal came across his plate and it was too good to pass up. I keep saying it (in different ways) but those BRK picks are the key to the entire rebuild. Of course, that means I'll be devastated if we don't get our Franchise player with it (either in draft or via trade).  |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Mar 2, 2015 15:39:15 GMT -5
Would like to see the team go after JaVale McGee. The team is just playing great right now and I would rather they get the 15th pick and make the playoffs then get the 10th, 11th or 12th pick and not make the playoffs. A true center that can rebound and block shots could make the Celtics one of the best eight teams in the east. McGee is on record saying he is young and cares more about playing time then winning. I know not what you wanna hear from a player! Have to think we could offer him more playing time then most other teams. Being an athletic fast big is a perfect fit for Brad Stevens offence. He is also young enough that he could be part of future if he has grown up some.
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 2, 2015 15:57:32 GMT -5
Meh.
This team thrives by playng 5 guys together who have high IQs and can all pass and shoot. McGee is the opposite of that.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 5, 2015 9:47:32 GMT -5
Boston close to signing JaVale McGee (per Danny himself)
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 5, 2015 10:29:14 GMT -5
Yuck.
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Post by texs31 on Mar 5, 2015 10:34:25 GMT -5
Hearing the deal might include next year as well.
I'm hoping it's Non-Guaranteed for next year. If so, then I say why not. Low Risk, medium-to-high reward (at least on the defensive side). Could allow you to trade big (all of whom, now, seem like backups anyways) as part of a bigger deal???
I could be grasping here, admittedly. Biggest point is that we didn't have to trade anything for him and, I'm hoping, it's a low risk look at a potential rim-protector.
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Post by mobaz on Mar 5, 2015 10:40:02 GMT -5
If McGee actually turns it around it proves Stevens is some sort of rehabilitation wizard. Next up for the Celtics would be LARRY SANDERS, Michael Beasley, 2005 Steve Francis, Derrick Coleman...
I can't imagine this actually working, but if the price is right it's obviously worth a try.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Mar 5, 2015 14:19:24 GMT -5
Steve Bulpett ?@stevebhoop 4m4 minutes ago
JaVale McGee will NOT be coming to the Celtics. The sides couldn't reach agreement on a contract.
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 5, 2015 14:33:37 GMT -5
Best news of the day so far.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Mar 5, 2015 14:48:43 GMT -5
Best news of the day so far. Why, if it worked out and he performed, they could've kept him for cheap or flipped him for a good return. If it didn't work, they are literally in the same spot as they were without him. |
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