4/28 Gameday Thread: Enter The Sandlin; Wicker Man Pitching

[iakovos11]

4/28 Gameday Thread:  Enter The Sandlin; Wicker Man Pitching

AAA - Worcester (Justin Hagenman) @ Toledo [DET] (Keider Montero) 2:05 pm
AA - Portland (Wikelman Gonzalez) @ Hartford [COL] (Mason Albright) 1:10 pm
A+ - Greenville (David Sandlin) vs Greensboro [PIT] (Allesandro Ercolani) 3:05 pm
A - Salem (Noah Dean) @ Carolina [MIL] (Josh Timmerman) 1:00 pm
R - FCL Red Sox Opening Day May 4th
DSL - DSL Red Sox Red Opening Day May 4th
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[stunzisox]

Yorke with a great start today. 2-2 with a 2B, 2 RBI and a SB (4 this year).

Would really love if he shoved this season to get him back onto the national radar.

[lancect]

We are at the Sea Dogs game and Lugo looks really good. He was a 2nd round pick, anyone know why he isn't in top 60? Thanks

[carmenfanzone]

Nice to see Grissom with 2 hits in what I hope will be his last game in AAA. Hoping he replaces Valdez.

[kingstephanos]

My thoughts on Wikelman...

[stunzisox]

Grissom up with em loaded and no outs in the 4th…promptly gets a batter violation smh

[johnsilver52]

Apr 28, 2024 14:01:15 GMT -5 kingstephanos said:

My thoughts on Wikelman...

That pen on the seadogs pen in general gives pause. not just starter Gonzalez, but hoope today. A guy with so much movement on his pitches and can also throw that hard, who loses it when anything goes wrong. this isn't just him, but coaching at fault.

how many remember Calvin Schiraldi? it was once said he'd sweat hand grenades on the mound once anything began to go wrong. Watch few games this year early on, including his melt down earlier today? Just what are the sox doing to work with his issues regarding this? Say exact same thing regarding Gonzalez.

some teams must do better at this than others, proof is they contnually have a chain of pitching develop into mlb quality pitchers year after year and others? Well.. they have senior pitching instructors sitting in the stands rather than actually in the dugout working with pitchers.

Understand many who work on this site wish to protect chain on info they recieve, I know how that works all to well. don't pull the wool over my eyes and tell me and everyone that everything is fine and dandy, has been all these years pitching development wise.

my 2c is something has and still is wrong. Yes, some changes were made at the top with breslow and bailey brought in. 100% positive change. believe the rot runs much deeper tho.

[oldfaithful2019]

3 singles and walk for Grissom today. Seems he is quite ready !

[insanesoxfan]

Apr 28, 2024 13:07:25 GMT -5 lancect said:

We are at the Sea Dogs game and Lugo looks really good. He was a 2nd round pick, anyone know why he isn't in top 60? Thanks

Was really bad for Portland last year. It was his 22 year old season so he still has time to turn things around, but he got booted to LF which makes his defensive value way less than when he was drafted as an infielder. Listening to the newest podcast and Ian talks about him moving back into the later part of the ranking with the new update. He also mentions that even with his hot start, he's got like a ~.400 BABIP and ~30% K rate which is not sustainable.  

[entrylevelhitman]

Guerrero with 3 Ks, all on swing-and-misses.

[radiohix]

Apr 28, 2024 15:01:45 GMT -5 oldfaithful2019 said:

3 singles and walk for Grissom today. Seems he is quite ready !

Make 4-4 with a walk for the day.
Also, Kavadas murdered a hanging 78 mph slider from a lefty reliever (442 ft with 107 Exit Velocity)

[rhswanzey]

A guy with so much movement on his pitches and can also throw that hard, who loses it when anything goes wrong. this isn't just him, but coaching at fault.

In fairness, is there a way for us as outsiders to differentiate between:

(a) your narrative - a failure of, say, composure among some pitchers, including this one, that is squarely on the shoulders of coaches and org development

or

(b) pitching prospect with plus stuff and command issues has games where command issues cause problems during the start


If it’s A, do we credit the same coaches/org development for Bello cooking against the Yankees last year, or in a pair of starts against Atlanta’s powerhouse lineup? How about in Kutter’s second to last start in Pittsburgh, when Cora declines to yank Kutter and gives him one more batter, and Kutter responds by shutting the door?

Maybe Wikelman has command issues and usually struggles in April before going on a summer heater

[vermontsox1]

[stevedillard]

Meanwhile Roman has hit the skids after his first week.

[sittingstill]

I would honestly toss out Hoppe's inning today--totally one of those "whatever can go wrong will go wrong" kind of things. He deflected balls hit back at him *twice* trying to make plays and the Mayer error didn't help.

[soxfaninsyracuse]

Apr 28, 2024 14:57:13 GMT -5 johnsilver52 said:

how many remember Calvin Schiraldi? it was once said he'd sweat hand grenades on the mound once anything began to go wrong.

I was having a good day until I read this.

[vermontsox1]

[pd]

Kavadas doing Kavadas things, a HR, 2BB's and 2 K's.

[cdj]

[sittingstill]

Apr 28, 2024 20:44:42 GMT -5 pd said:

Kavadas doing Kavadas things, a HR, 2BB's and 2 K's.

[Chris Hatfield]

Apr 28, 2024 14:57:13 GMT -5 johnsilver52 said:

That pen on the seadogs pen in general gives pause. not just starter Gonzalez, but hoope today. A guy with so much movement on his pitches and can also throw that hard, who loses it when anything goes wrong. this isn't just him, but coaching at fault.

how many remember Calvin Schiraldi? it was once said he'd sweat hand grenades on the mound once anything began to go wrong. Watch few games this year early on, including his melt down earlier today? Just what are the sox doing to work with his issues regarding this? Say exact same thing regarding Gonzalez.

some teams must do better at this than others, proof is they contnually have a chain of pitching develop into mlb quality pitchers year after year and others? Well.. they have senior pitching instructors sitting in the stands rather than actually in the dugout working with pitchers.

Understand many who work on this site wish to protect chain on info they recieve, I know how that works all to well. don't pull the wool over my eyes and tell me and everyone that everything is fine and dandy, has been all these years pitching development wise.

my 2c is something has and still is wrong. Yes, some changes were made at the top with breslow and bailey brought in. 100% positive change. believe the rot runs much deeper tho.

Lots to unpack here.

Presuming "chain" was supposed to be Chaim, no, we don't "protect" anyone. I've literally said there were reasons to fire him on the podcast, and we kind of crushed him for the prior two trade deadlines and intervening offseason, although it's now fair to question to what degree his hands were tied by budget/ownership when the same stuff happened this offseason. We've also never said the pitching development is "fine." Ian wrote an entire piece this offseason showing how a failure to invest in amateur pitching (instead focusing on players on the other side of the ball) appears to have been the primary culprit is the lopsided player development of the past 5 years or so.

Now, that said, you saw Hoppe have an inning in which he "came unglued" and say that's on coaching. Why is that? What exactly do you think they're not doing that they should be? Is it a failure to say "Hey, Alex, calm down"? With good coaching he strikes three guys out instead? I'm not saying it's not coaching, I'm just saying I don't understand why THAT is the indication of "rot" or whatever it is you're trying to say the problem is here.

As for stands versus dugout, you do realize the pitching coach is in the dugout, right? And the team has extra coaches at every level who are also in the dugout? They do both. A Ralph Truel usually is in the stands, which is a much better angle for evaluating what's happening than the dugout btw, but there are guys in the dugout too.

Again, not saying everything is fine and every pitcher in the system is a future ace or closer or something, but I've got no idea what you're getting at with much of your post.

[natesp4]

Was talking to an usher at the Sea Dogs game yesterday out in right field. He said the Sea Dogs players were making a game out of hitting the ads above the seats out there at Dunkin Park during BP. We looked up to see like 8 giant dents in the shiny new ad boards that he said were all from them.

[vermontsox1]

Lugo leading MiLB in slugging.