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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 29, 2024 23:12:41 GMT -5
Really enjoy that they just call it the eephus pitch in Japan
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Post by bluechip on Mar 29, 2024 23:53:23 GMT -5
Really enjoy that they just call it the eephus pitch in Japan The good old days when there were guys who had eephus pitches, screwballs, and knuckleballs. I get not developing those pitchers, but still it was fun.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 30, 2024 0:23:55 GMT -5
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Post by notstarboard on Mar 30, 2024 7:48:15 GMT -5
I don't know the rule well enough to say, but if that slide is legal, and it sounds like it is given what the umps decided, the rule needs to change. You shouldn't be able to intentionally spike a guy's plant leg like 5 feet behind the base even if you're maintaining contact with the base the whole time. It's pretty clear that Hoskins was trying to spike McNeil here and there's serious injury risk involved with that.
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Post by cdj on Mar 30, 2024 8:43:48 GMT -5
I’d be heated too, his leg almost got caught under Hoskins there
Dirty slide. He would have looked way less soft if he just uncorked a single haymaker while Hoskins was on the ground
Sometimes you gotta take the suspension and leave somebody laying on the field to send a message to future sliders
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Post by incandenza on Mar 30, 2024 8:50:41 GMT -5
Hoskins literally followed the rule. As the umps confirmed. Like 5 years ago slides a lot worse than that were considered totally fair game. There was an injury risk with that practice so they put in a new rule; but Hoskins followed the rule. I don't see why there's anything to complain about, let alone any reason to punch Hoskins in the face.
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Post by cdj on Mar 30, 2024 8:53:28 GMT -5
Hoskins literally followed the rule. As the umps confirmed. Like 5 years ago slides a lot worse than that were considered totally fair game. There was an injury risk with that practice so they put in a new rule; but Hoskins followed the rule. I don't see why there's anything to complain about, let alone any reason to punch Hoskins in the face. I really don’t like the angle he came in at his leg. It wasn’t straight into the leg, it was done in a way that even furthers McNeil’s risk. You’d think a guy coming off a blown out knee would be a little more sympathetic. He basically swam around the lead leg only to hook back with his body and get it from a weird angle that caught Mcneil’s ankle/lower leg up under him. Very lucky we didn’t get a break Legal or not, you punch him in the face and you probably don’t have to worry about people trying that again. An investment for later. When Marc Savard got decapitated by Matt Cooke it was technically a legal play at the time, it doesn’t make it right. Just like being an asshole isn’t illegal in real life- just because it isn’t illegal doesn’t mean you should do it! Perhaps I’m just too hockey.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 30, 2024 9:02:08 GMT -5
Say, what's up with Brandon Belt? He had a really good season last year (albeit with some worrisome peripherals), FG crowdsource projection 1/9.5, and as near as I can tell there aren't even any rumors about his potentially signing with a team. Same question re: Clevinger but I do recall at least a couple rumors with him.
Belt was bad in 2022 and his strikeout rate got significantly worse last year, up to 34.9% (career 24.6%). He got bailed out by a .370 BABIP, but nobody's paying that kind of money for a DH/1B to flip around that kind of regression at 35. He still puts up professional ABs and there might be enough power there for him to deliver like a .230/.340/.440, but it's not a profile that teams have been valuing. I actually think a decent, above-average hitter is a much better use of the DH spot than a mix-and-match approach that many teams seem to be using now, but that's just not the reality of how rosters are being put together right now. I hear all that. Still, he had a 138 wRC+ last year! (David Ortiz career: 140.) His .336 xwOBA was at least respectable. And he got a 1/9 contract after that bad 2022 so it's surprising to me that he's actually unemployable now, one year and a season like that later.
This is more a vibes than a numbers analysis, but in general I feel like teams this offseason were just not willing to spend at all on aging veterans with middling WAR projections, like 1.5-2 WAR. I think it's a consequence of the sharpening of the age curve - they would just rather take the risk with an unproven rookie making league minimum than with a $10 million/year veteran who's production might fall off the table at any moment. So those veterans are getting like $3 million or minor league contracts instead.
You can also really see that there's just universal acceptance now of the predictive stats over outcomes. Even just a few years ago I bet there was a GM or two out there who would look at the OPS and figure Belt was still a good hitter and allow themselves to overlook the xwOBA and K rate.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 30, 2024 9:16:13 GMT -5
Scott Boras explains that everything went according to plan for his clients this past offseason:
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Post by cdj on Mar 30, 2024 9:20:21 GMT -5
Scott Boras explains that everything went according to plan for his clients this past offseason: Lmao I’m sure Monty is thrilled with that statement. Boras is a clown. Not that good at his job anymore, Father Time waits for nobody
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Post by orion09 on Mar 30, 2024 9:49:06 GMT -5
No strong opinion about the slide, but I thought this was funny:
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Post by cdj on Mar 30, 2024 10:05:46 GMT -5
Hoskins objectively looked way cooler after the fact than McNeil, I’ll give him that for sure
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Post by manfred on Mar 30, 2024 10:46:42 GMT -5
Mookie is off to a ridiculous start.
Here is my depressing question: is he going into the HOF with a Dodgers hat?
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Post by patford on Mar 30, 2024 11:00:06 GMT -5
Mookie is off to a ridiculous start. Here is my depressing question: is he going into the HOF with a Dodgers hat? Is that even a question? Obviously he will. He was clearly always going to the Dodgers. It's as clear as Ohtani and Yamamoto always signing with the Dodgers.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 30, 2024 11:14:39 GMT -5
Mookie is off to a ridiculous start. Here is my depressing question: is he going into the HOF with a Dodgers hat? Is that even a question? Obviously he will. He was clearly always going to the Dodgers. It's as clear as Ohtani and Yamamoto always signing with the Dodgers. Regarding Mookie's motives, that's your opinion, not a fact. As far as the HOF thing, likely the Dodgers given he'll have played twice as long in LA and isnt reasonably close like the White Sox/Red Sox tenure where Fisk's iconic signature moment was as a Red Sox.
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Post by manfred on Mar 30, 2024 11:21:31 GMT -5
Mookie is off to a ridiculous start. Here is my depressing question: is he going into the HOF with a Dodgers hat? Is that even a question? Obviously he will. He was clearly always going to the Dodgers. It's as clear as Ohtani and Yamamoto always signing with the Dodgers. I’m not sure those are the same things. I mean, Carlton Fisk was obviously leaving (and played longer for the ChiSox) but that did not mean he didn’t go in as a BoSox player.
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Post by orion09 on Mar 30, 2024 12:08:33 GMT -5
He won his MVP and his only (real) World Series in Boston. I think Boston is at least in play. My selfish hope has always been that he plays well enough in LA to make the HOF, but not so well that he goes in as a Dodger. Though purely in terms of time spent, I guess LAD is more likely.
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Post by yuchangclan on Mar 30, 2024 14:07:21 GMT -5
He won his MVP and his only (real) World Series in Boston. I think Boston is at least in play. My selfish hope has always been that he plays well enough in LA to make the HOF, but not so well that he goes in as a Dodger. Though purely in terms of time spent, I guess LAD is more likely. This assumes he doesn’t win another WS while in LA. I would bet that he does. He’s already in his 5th(!) season in LA. He’ll probably be there for another 10. Of course he goes into the HOF as a Dodger.
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Post by cdj on Mar 30, 2024 14:29:41 GMT -5
He’s going in as a dodger and it doesn’t bother me, he got what he wanted and I’m happy for him
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Post by scottysmalls on Mar 30, 2024 14:49:59 GMT -5
This had me looking things up, and I realized it's not impossible for Mookie to hit 100 WAR and be one of the top 20 position players ever. He and Trout could both do it.
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Post by bishop on Mar 30, 2024 14:56:06 GMT -5
Sounds like the Hoskins slide was legal but I'm on McNeil's side it's dirty. Clearly he's trying to slide hard and make it really tough for McNeil to turn the double play so he's basically going for a slide tackle not trying to reach the base as fast as he can which I don't want legislated out of the game, but if you go in spikes up on or above the ankle it's really dangerous and would be a textbook red card in soccer.
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Post by threeifbaerga on Mar 30, 2024 14:59:19 GMT -5
Sounds like the Hoskins slide was legal but I'm on McNeil's side it's dirty. Clearly he's trying to slide hard and make it really tough for McNeil to turn the double play so he's basically going for a slide tackle not trying to reach the base as fast as he can which I don't want legislated out of the game, but if you go in spikes up on or above the ankle it's really dangerous and would be a textbook red card in soccer. Depends on which league you're watching. Hard to tell what's textbook these days.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 30, 2024 15:02:26 GMT -5
Royce Lewis out two months
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Post by bishop on Mar 30, 2024 15:04:59 GMT -5
He’s going in as a dodger and it doesn’t bother me, he got what he wanted and I’m happy for him Yeah this wasn't a falling out later in a player's career, the Sox traded him at age 26 a year after one of the most amazing seasons I've ever seen because they didn't want to pay him. I'm glad it wasn't a bitter breakup and Mookie sounds like he doesn't hold a grudge and has great memories of his time here but the Sox organization showed no loyalty to the best homegrown player since at least Yaz 50 years earlier, why would Mookie have loyalty to them?
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 30, 2024 15:13:27 GMT -5
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