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Post by texs31 on Aug 20, 2020 12:42:39 GMT -5
In general, the tidbits are just things he's heard from SOME scouts (we often see these contradict each other). So the point here is that these are comments that are out there for one reason or another.
That being said, on this one in particular, I believe he does say he'll be putting Smith in the lottery in his next updated mock.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 20, 2020 20:12:45 GMT -5
Its official, the Memphis pick will convey this year at #14
With 3 1sts in a "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" draft, this might be the most likely year for a trade up.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 21, 2020 12:05:36 GMT -5
The more I read about him the more I like Saddiq Bey for the Celtics. Good size, good defense and a great shooter. Played for Nova and is a pretty good passer and slasher as well.... might be able to take over the Hayward role... very borderline if he is there at 14.
Thanks for telling me you made an off-season thread ha
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 21, 2020 14:28:56 GMT -5
www.si.com/nba/2020/08/21/nba-mock-draft-2020-timberwolves-win-lotteryUsing that as a template of who will be there. I go Maxey at 14. He provides offense, can score at all three levels and is an impactful defender with an NBA ready body. Cole Anthony might be my #2 if that is how the draft falls. At 26 I'm not changing anything, give me McDaniels all day long. You have this many picks I want a HR/Strikeout option. At 30 I can't overlook Carey as a long-term replacement for Kanter. It would be perfect if Kanter was here next year to help him. Yet insert one of a ton of guys I have zero issues with Oturu, Dotson, Reed, Stanley, etc. At 47 Robert Woodard is crazy interesting and seems like a very good fit like a Semi/Crowder mix. Could be a small five given his 7'1" wingspan and athletic ability. I also love Ashton Hagans. Heck you could take this guys at 30 and it would make sense. Given this draft I agree with Texas it could be a good one to trade up, yet it could also be a good one to trade down also no? I'd love to take 26 or 30 and trade it for a 2020 2nd round pick and a future first. I can see some team loving a guy there and gambling with a pick say three years down the line.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 21, 2020 16:00:01 GMT -5
Started collecting the 1st wave of mock updates post lottery. They include:
DX/ESPN, Drafnet, CBS(Kyle Boone), CBS (Gary Parrish), Ringer (Lotto only), Insiders (Kyler only), Bleacher, Yahoo, SI and the Athletic. In September, Kyler will have consensus mocks with (typically) 3 other contributors. Haven't seen anything from Ford or Deveney. With that in mind, here's what I'm seeing (VERY early of course):
1 100% chance that Ball, Edwards, Okongwu, Toppin, Wiseman, Haliburton, Avdija and Okoro (in some order) are gone by the time 14 rolls around. 2 90% chance Hayes is gone 3 80% chance Williams is gone 4 70% Vassell and Nesmith are gone. 5 Bey (60% chance he's gone) and, surprisingly, Achiuwa (50% chance he's gone before 14) are next in line.
Factoring 1-4 above, that leads to a 40% chance that Bey is available and 50% Achiuwa is available. Interestingly, none of the mocks have Bey as the C's pick (granted, in one of those, Vassell was also available and he was the pick). Wasserman had them taking Achiuwa.
Of the guys not discussed above, here is who the mocks have C's taking:
Anthony - Ringer and Yahoo Pokusevski - Vecenie Hampton - Kyler Maledon - Smith (DraftNet) and Woo (SI)
I"m guessing final mocks will look very different so this was probably wasted effort but I'm absurd.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 21, 2020 16:35:24 GMT -5
Out of those six guys, Williams, Vassell and Nesmith could move me off Maxey/Anthony. At the same time I think you can make a good case Maxey and Anthony are being undervalued at their current rankings.
The bigger question if you talk about trading up, are any of those guys worth it? I would really need to get to the first group for a trade up to make sense.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 22, 2020 13:43:50 GMT -5
The more I read about him the more I like Saddiq Bey for the Celtics. Good size, good defense and a great shooter. Played for Nova and is a pretty good passer and slasher as well.... might be able to take over the Hayward role... very borderline if he is there at 14. Thanks for telling me you made an off-season thread ha You don't worry about his shooting? Sure his 37.4 and 45.1% look good, yet his 64.4% and 76.9% FT percentage don't match. Very rare that elite shooters aren't elite at the FT line. Per the Ringer he's not a great athlete, no quick first step and hops around the basket. So he's likely not a good slasher in the NBA. They rank him 18. He kinda looks overrated, especially if we're talking top 14 picks. I want more upside, I want a guy who can create offense. At 26 he fits a lot better.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 22, 2020 15:10:44 GMT -5
Out of those six guys, Williams, Vassell and Nesmith could move me off Maxey/Anthony. At the same time I think you can make a good case Maxey and Anthony are being undervalued at their current rankings. The bigger question if you talk about trading up, are any of those guys worth it? I would really need to get to the first group for a trade up to make sense. Would not surprise me to see a trade up for someone who is lower on these draft sites. And one that could have us shaking our heads. Again, it just seems like the boards could be all over the place such that the Cs have someone "ranked" significantly higher than we would think.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 22, 2020 16:20:22 GMT -5
The more I read about him the more I like Saddiq Bey for the Celtics. Good size, good defense and a great shooter. Played for Nova and is a pretty good passer and slasher as well.... might be able to take over the Hayward role... very borderline if he is there at 14. Thanks for telling me you made an off-season thread ha You don't worry about his shooting? Sure his 37.4 and 45.1% look good, yet his 64.4% and 76.9% FT percentage don't match. Very rare that elite shooters aren't elite at the FT line. Per the Ringer he's not a great athlete, no quick first step and hops around the basket. So he's likely not a good slasher in the NBA. They rank him 18. He kinda looks overrated, especially if we're talking top 14 picks. I want more upside, I want a guy who can create offense. At 26 he fits a lot better. Yes, I do. There’s not a prospect that has no worries at this point
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 23, 2020 1:10:23 GMT -5
Out of those six guys, Williams, Vassell and Nesmith could move me off Maxey/Anthony. At the same time I think you can make a good case Maxey and Anthony are being undervalued at their current rankings. The bigger question if you talk about trading up, are any of those guys worth it? I would really need to get to the first group for a trade up to make sense. Would not surprise me to see a trade up for someone who is lower on these draft sites. And one that could have us shaking our heads. Again, it just seems like the boards could be all over the place such that the Cs have someone "ranked" significantly higher than we would think. At 14 or 26? I'm 100% ready for a Robert Woodard or the like at 26/30. I could see a trade up for the like. Yet a trade up at 14 for a surprise guy would shock me.
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 23, 2020 9:50:24 GMT -5
Would not surprise me to see a trade up for someone who is lower on these draft sites. And one that could have us shaking our heads. Again, it just seems like the boards could be all over the place such that the Cs have someone "ranked" significantly higher than we would think. At 14 or 26? I'm 100% ready for a Robert Woodard or the like at 26/30. I could see a trade up for the like. Yet a trade up at 14 for a surprise guy would shock me. This is considered a weak draft. At least that's what I read. The census 3 or 4 top guys have been characterized as excellent NBA players or potential busts. This is from a writer on CBS sports who supposedly talks to the GM's. Is there a guy in this draft that you think Danny REALLY wants?
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Post by texs31 on Aug 23, 2020 10:35:18 GMT -5
I've read that it's a deep draft but not strong at the top. A lot of potential role players but no sure-fire stars.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 23, 2020 10:37:42 GMT -5
Don’t mistake this being a weak draft at the top to being a bad draft for a team like the Celtics with 3 first round picks. This is considered a weak draft because the super star talent isn’t evident up top, but it’s considered a deep draft for NBA talent. There are a lot of projected NBA role players in this draft. So i could see Danny liking plenty of players in this draft.
What we don’t know is these players work ethic and desire, which is something Danny has done a good job of identifying. He had Tatum at 1 and Jaylen at 3 ahead of other guys because he was able to identify those traits that would let them get better and unlock their full potential. Smart, Rozier, Bradley are other examples or this. If Langford, has that same personality and he can stay healthy we may see a similar trajectory out of him.
He went wrong when he went with Yabu and Zizic to try and stash guys just because he didn’t want to use a roster spot. Hopefully, he doesn’t do that again just to do it.
UMass asked me about worrying on Bey and I do; if Danny picks him I would have to believe it’s because he has those same work rates which would make me feel better. I want a guy who loves and lives basketball like the guys we already have do.
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Post by texs31 on Aug 23, 2020 10:45:11 GMT -5
Would not surprise me to see a trade up for someone who is lower on these draft sites. And one that could have us shaking our heads. Again, it just seems like the boards could be all over the place such that the Cs have someone "ranked" significantly higher than we would think. At 14 or 26? I'm 100% ready for a Robert Woodard or the like at 26/30. I could see a trade up for the like. Yet a trade up at 14 for a surprise guy would shock me. Few comments here: 1. I wasn't clear. My thought was intended to apply to ANY team, not just the C's. That SOME team could trade up and get someone that most boards had as available at their spot prior to a trade. 2. I wouldn't expect a trade up from 14 to get a Woodward (or someone else in that range) but, for example, them trading up to 11 or 12 to get someone most of think they could have at 14. Like, Anthony continuing to be projected in the 14-18 range but then they move up to 11 to take him. 3. The idea that it would shock us is, largely, the point I was trying to make. I wouldn't be surprised to be surprised, for lack of a better way of saying it. If it wouldn't surprise us than I'd just be saying a team might trade up to take a player that was projected to go higher than the teams draft spot. Which . . . yah.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 23, 2020 14:37:20 GMT -5
At 14 or 26? I'm 100% ready for a Robert Woodard or the like at 26/30. I could see a trade up for the like. Yet a trade up at 14 for a surprise guy would shock me. This is considered a weak draft. At least that's what I read. The census 3 or 4 top guys have been characterized as excellent NBA players or potential busts. This is from a writer on CBS sports who supposedly talks to the GM's. Is there a guy in this draft that you think Danny REALLY wants? I don't think it's a weak draft, as others have said it's just weak at the top. I'd call it an average draft, heck it might be better than that long-term. It's not an easy draft to grade and rank though. Lots of guys like Langford who need time and frankly should have gone back to school. Danny will take anyone, he really doesn't have certain type. So it's crazy hard, yet yeah I'm sure he does. Two ways guys are more likely, hard workers and Basketball intelligence. My best guess given the current mocks is Maxey. He's smart and very skilled, impactful defender, scores at all three levels. Was also know as a good shooter despite his freshman year and his FT% backs that up. Also has an NBA body already.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 28, 2020 18:59:13 GMT -5
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 28, 2020 19:29:46 GMT -5
Does Danny trade one of his 1st's for a next yr 1st? Or do you think he will pkg any or all to move way up into the top 5? I can see a trade for a next yr 1st. Do not see a pkg to move up. umass and rip usually have a good handle on something like this.
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Post by ryan24 on Aug 28, 2020 19:30:35 GMT -5
Not looking for need? Just going with best available?
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 28, 2020 20:52:45 GMT -5
Gonna go out on a limb here and say that if Killian Hayes was called LaMario Ball he'd be the consensus number 1 pick.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 28, 2020 23:25:29 GMT -5
Does Danny trade one of his 1st's for a next yr 1st? Or do you think he will pkg any or all to move way up into the top 5? I can see a trade for a next yr 1st. Do not see a pkg to move up. umass and rip usually have a good handle on something like this. Who knows? I don't think you can get to top 5 though. I can see him doing anything.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 28, 2020 23:27:36 GMT -5
Not looking for need? Just going with best available? Yeah unless they are the same tier. Yet in general always best available in the NBA.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 28, 2020 23:28:30 GMT -5
Gonna go out on a limb here and say that if Killian Hayes was called LaMario Ball he'd be the consensus number 1 pick. The real question is would you like Ball if he was a Euro?😂
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 29, 2020 5:17:13 GMT -5
Does Danny trade one of his 1st's for a next yr 1st? Or do you think he will pkg any or all to move way up into the top 5? I can see a trade for a next yr 1st. Do not see a pkg to move up. umass and rip usually have a good handle on something like this. I think Danny would love to trade a first this year for a future first (even if it were 2022 or further out if it were unprotected). I’m sure he doesn’t want to trade 14, but one of the others he would. The issue is finding a trading partner. They won’t know that until draft night when the board unfolds.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 29, 2020 12:25:48 GMT -5
The real question is would you like Ball if he was a Euro?😂 Not with that shooting motion I wouldn't, dude looks like he throws the ball at the hoop. It's not broken like Lonzo, but I don't love it. Honestly this is a weird draft, not sure who I'd take 1st overall. Probably Hayes because I'm indeed a sucker for Euros lol.
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Post by philarhody on Sept 5, 2020 20:37:05 GMT -5
Who in this draft would you be willing to trade all three first round picks for?
My list is Edwards, Lamelo, Hayes, and Vassel. I think those are 4 potential all stars in this draft.
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