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Post by jmei on Sept 9, 2013 12:34:27 GMT -5
mine is from MLB, I had to go to player stats, deselect qualifiers, and go position by position. Wow, BR has tons more data, and its all ready processed. So it does appear that MLB is reporting be "normal position"? where many teams have no permanent DH? The perm DH are above average, but batters as DH are below avg. but the stats for the regular position players are similar. I was surprised that 2B were good in both BA and OBP, below only in SLG. I thought some one point to a WAR by position showing 2B comparable to SS. Anyways, thanks for the BR link. I still need to explore that site. I should stop wasting time on MLB.com I've wanted a "position specific" offensive stat for a while. I hate using things like OPS+ or wOBA in combination with WAR because the only adjustment comes from the defensive side. It would be nice to have a positionally adjusted offensive stat that way you can compare players equally amongst their constituents. Sorting by position and then comparing wOBA vs. league average doesn't do it for me. Maybe a wOBApos+; it wouldn't work cross-positionally, but would allow for simplifications within positional examination. I don't know; now that I type it out, it seems less stellar than my brain had imagined. Baseball Reference has something like this with its oWAR (offensive wins above replacement) stat, found under the player value tab of any position player's page (or use this link for the 2013 Red Sox). It contains a positional adjustment but excludes defensive value. If you want to rate-adjust it, you could do something like oWAR per 600 PAs, although you'd have to calculate that manually.
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Post by jchang on Sept 9, 2013 15:16:54 GMT -5
jmei: thanks for the input on which WAR value to use and how to adjust. But I should read for myself the full calculation detail. I may refrain from adjusting to 600PA for now? as there may a valid reason for limited PA? perhaps I should sum up the positions with platooning instead? For now, if tech geeks are interested, I have worked out a procedure in copying Baseball Reference to Excel (with the Pos Summary column pre-formatted to Text) then importing to a database so I can strip off the *,/ symbols so that I sort by primary position, all with minor effort. Below is MLB-wide number of players by WAR and position.
Pos 8+ 6-7.9 5-5.9 4-4.9 3-3.9 2-2.9 2&up 1-1.9 0.5-0.9 Red Sox C - - 3 2 4 6 15 10 13 1.8 1B - 1 2 2 4 4 13 9 8 3.4 2B - 1 3 1 5 4 14 10 7 5.6 3B - 3 3 1 1 8 16 8 7 0.7 (WMB) SS - 1 - 4 4 7 16 10 5 2.3 LF - - 2 - 3 5 10 13 8 2.5 CF 1 2 1 3 6 4 17 8 9 5.5 RF - - 2 4 4 8 18 9 5 5.7 DH - - - 1 - 1 2 2 4 4.0 tot 1 8 16 18 31 47 121 79 66 Note, data has changed from yesterday, when I compiled the AL data. Ortiz WAR increased from 3.8 to 4.0. Most columns are ranges, the column 2 & up is the sum of the first 6 columns. As before, the last column is the WAR for the Red Sox primary player at that position. Per jmei, if we include the contribution of Carp 1, Gnomes 0.6 and Ross 0.5+Lavarnway 0.4, then essentially, we are getting premium production (2+) from all position? Iggy is 2.2 for both RS & Det time? As with AL, the number of WAR 5 players more or less fills out an All-Star roster. However there are only sufficient WAR 2 players to average 4 per team of the 30 teams. The WAR 1-1.9 provides another 3 per team.
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Post by jmei on Sept 9, 2013 15:52:40 GMT -5
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 9, 2013 16:29:49 GMT -5
Probably a hedge against the bidding getting over the 125-150m range. LA is committing more money than Georgie ever did to player salaries the last few years. It is going to be interesting to see how many more years they continue that pace before they have to slow down/cut back. They can only count on that TV revenue as long as it is being paid to them, the media deal is a contract of course, but what happens if they cannot afford to pay it to the Dodgers and are forced to renegotiate it? Yes, it is a doom forecast, just seeing a team go all out like this and spending so freely on anything and everything like this reminds me of some of the carefree ways that Georgie used to do, like the time he signed some FA (forget who it was even) he didn't need because they were both snowed in at an airport and stuck there together decades back.
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Post by okin15 on Sept 9, 2013 16:46:38 GMT -5
real question for me, is when do they start having to pay for their over-cap spending with draft picks, intl monies, etc.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 9, 2013 16:53:28 GMT -5
real question for me, is when do they start having to pay for their over-cap spending with draft picks, intl monies, etc. It all relates. 4 Outfielders highly paid, now Gonzalez. They still may try to sign Cano, with Gonzalez drawing a stiff salary. Where will it end? Will the LAD even CARE about paying the luxury tax when they do eventually get penalized? The LAD are acquiring players now, just like Georgie used to at positions they don't even need, like 4OF better than 60-70% of the teams have 3. It is baffling.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 9, 2013 21:05:57 GMT -5
Or it's possible the Dodgers really aren't going to be in on Cano and the Yanks will wind up bidding against themselves. I doubt anybody else other than the Dodgers or Yanks would give Cano the money he's seeking.
I would think this is the Dodgers' low cost option. They may not worry about the luxury tax, but Kershaw's extension will be record setting. He's probably looking at $30 million/year. You can only have so many $25 million guys on your payroll, and you figure that Kershaw and Greinke will be those guys, while they already have Crawford (ha-ha) and AGon making more than $20 million/year.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Sept 9, 2013 22:22:57 GMT -5
Well the Pirates have their 1st winning season in 20 years...Behind Gerrit Cole's 7 strong.
Also Showalter and Girardi went at it in the 1st inning today. Apparently the MFYs think Baltimore's 3rd base coach was giving the location of pitches to the hitters.
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Post by sammo420 on Sept 10, 2013 17:37:11 GMT -5
Also Showalter and Girardi went at it in the 1st inning today. Apparently the MFYs think Baltimore's 3rd base coach was giving the location of pitches to the hitters. Does anybody else remember that Saturday game of Fox where they went to the dugout camera and exactly what you see is Arod showing other players how he's going to tip off location to them?
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Post by jmei on Sept 11, 2013 19:59:10 GMT -5
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 12, 2013 19:01:19 GMT -5
Odd bit of nothingness.. Watching the Cubbie-Pirate game as a break from Sox game for a couple minutes and see that old friend Darnell McDonald is with the Cubs.. Funny how Theo still continues to pursue ex Sox players, even the castoff types like McDonald was.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 14, 2013 19:32:36 GMT -5
Paxton pitching for Seattle. My first chance to watch him and he is really impressive. Mowing down the Cards with a fantastic 4-pitch mix, including a fastball that tails away from righties and touches 95. If only this team could get a few hitters...
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 14, 2013 19:37:50 GMT -5
Paxton pitching for Seattle. My first chance to watch him and he is really impressive. Mowing down the Cards with a fantastic 4-pitch mix, including a fastball that tails away from righties and touches 95. If only this team could get a few hitters... Think it's a prerequisite that in order to sit in the M's BP, they must have a base 95+FB. Every guy they have has one and that team has some nice young SP on the way as well. It's the offense, other than Seagar and Smoak of late that is the issue like you mentioned Norm Wedge may not last long enough for that staff to develop, but it is going to have 1 bullet proof rotation + pen very soon and the offense won't need to provide that many runs, think Oakland and TB.
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 16, 2013 9:20:11 GMT -5
My projected wins:
Cle 89.1 Tex 88.7 TB 88.5
Coolstandings:
Cle 88.9 Tex 88.4 TB 88.3
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TB 88.9 Tex 88.5 Cle 88.4
So, serious question for others, as I'm busy crunching Clay Davenport's finally-fixed numbers: what happens if three teams tie for the two wild card spots? ("Bud Selig has an aneurysm" is not acceptable, even if true.)
One fair way to do it would be to use true SOS as a tiebreaker, in which case Cle would play at TB and Tex would be out of luck.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 16, 2013 9:31:49 GMT -5
Three-Club Tie for Two Wild Card Spots:? After Clubs have been assigned their A, B and C designations, Club A would host Club B on Monday, Sept. 30 (tentatively). The winner of the game would be declared one Wild Card winner. Club C would then host the loser of the game between Club A and Club B on Tuesday, Oct. 1 (tentatively) to determine the second Wild Card Club.
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Post by sammo420 on Sept 16, 2013 9:40:20 GMT -5
Three-Club Tie for Two Wild Card Spots:? After Clubs have been assigned their A, B and C designations, Club A would host Club B on Monday, Sept. 30 (tentatively). The winner of the game would be declared one Wild Card winner. Club C would then host the loser of the game between Club A and Club B on Tuesday, Oct. 1 (tentatively) to determine the second Wild Card Club. Wow, a definitive answer. Losing both those games would absolutely suck for whomever it was.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 16, 2013 9:49:43 GMT -5
Well, it wouldn't necessarily be a two-time loser. For example, the Rays could lose to Cleveland on Monday and beat Texas on Tuesday. Then they'd play Cleveland again on Wednesday.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 16, 2013 17:48:10 GMT -5
MASNSomething fundamentally wrong with Brian Roberts not the second baseman with Baltimore. Remember.. He was the "Pedroia" before Pedey was even around as a 5'9 short guy who could slam the ball all over the field, field the ball as good as anyone and one of the best in the game before injuries. I hope Duquette manages to keep him around at least in a utility role at least. An icon for that team.
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Post by templeusox on Sept 16, 2013 21:38:55 GMT -5
Lest we forget he was named in the Mitchell Report.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 16, 2013 21:41:02 GMT -5
Tidbits of a player with the perfect manager who can perform:
Emilio Bonifacio has literally been on fire since he was given away by Toronto to KC. He has been pushed by Ned Yost, much like he was earlier in his career by "Trader" Jack McKeon to run at will and brought back the delayed steal even. This guy can create havoc on the base and is one of the better players at the top of the lineup when his confidence is high. I have seen 2 managers who have had it so far.. McKeon and Yost.
I really hope KC doesn't make a mistake and decide not offering him arbitration over the 2.6m he made this year is too much. A full year in 2014. A full year under Yost should bring back the Bonifacio of 2011 again.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 17, 2013 7:38:21 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Sept 17, 2013 8:39:48 GMT -5
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Post by elguapo on Sept 17, 2013 10:52:34 GMT -5
Lest we forget he was named in the Mitchell Report. Not a fan of that document, but it was ironic that when Roberts had a great year in 2005 that was hailed in at least one article are the first guaranteed steroid-free breakout season.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 17, 2013 11:43:46 GMT -5
All was making a comment on was my reaction to what had seen after watching Bonifacio after a number of games under Yost. no longer hesitant to run and full of confidence once again as he was under Mckeon at Miami.
Have a feeling that if he stays (Bonifacio) his numbers will dwindle down if Yost is gone, as will his confidence again. the guy just has something about him that makes it hard to maintain with managers that he knows he does not have the 100% backing of.
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Post by jmei on Sept 17, 2013 16:41:29 GMT -5
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