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Post by jmei on Aug 16, 2013 14:02:22 GMT -5
The lesson, as always-- kids, wear a cup.
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Post by bluechip on Aug 16, 2013 14:08:25 GMT -5
I would have thought he learned that playing the infield without a cup is just plain stupid. Or maybe only mediocre defensive infielders playing on crappy New England infields learn that lesson.
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Post by rangoon82 on Aug 16, 2013 14:36:32 GMT -5
So, uh...is this the end of the line for the Remdog? Personally, I'm a fan so I hope not.
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Post by charliezink16 on Aug 16, 2013 15:08:09 GMT -5
So, uh...is this the end of the line for the Remdog? Personally, I'm a fan so I hope not. Whether it is or isn't, that's gotta be so tragic for Jerry. Just can't imagine what he's going through. RIP to Ms. Martel.
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Post by jmei on Aug 16, 2013 15:44:10 GMT -5
Please move all discussion of the Remy story to the thread in the Off-Topic Forum. Thanks.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 16, 2013 17:26:09 GMT -5
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 16, 2013 17:38:17 GMT -5
Iggy back in for game 2 tonight. That's a tough nut to crack. Sorry ahead of time.
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Post by sammo420 on Aug 16, 2013 18:11:06 GMT -5
Adrian Beltre took a liner to the gonads once. I don't know how fast it was going but it was faster than 95. By the way, its odd that Firefox knows how to spell "gonads" but not "Beltre".
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 17, 2013 8:18:43 GMT -5
Iggy back in for game 2 tonight. That's a tough nut to crack. Sorry ahead of time. Fun fact about this KC-DET doubleheader: Greg Holland closes out both games, in each case getting through the inning with one strikeout and one double play.
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 17, 2013 14:19:32 GMT -5
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 17, 2013 14:23:28 GMT -5
Man these Dominicans.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 17, 2013 21:13:56 GMT -5
The lesson, as always-- kids, wear a cup. Prince Fielder doesn't wear one either - he got drilled in the nuts by a one hopper to end the top of the 8th inning today.
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Post by templeusox on Aug 18, 2013 11:48:46 GMT -5
Pirates call up old friend Kris Johnson.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 18, 2013 12:11:38 GMT -5
Pirates call up old friend Kris Johnson. Someday I'll tell my Kris Johnson story publicly. Or at least point out that a story I've already told publicly is about Kris Johnson. Good times.
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 18, 2013 15:28:00 GMT -5
sports.yahoo.com/news/gibson-cheaters-braun-rob-other-170310622--mlb.htmlI think this is a legit complaint. If you didn't cheat in the last 20 years you got screwed. Lackey is pissed about ARoid, Gibson is pissed about Brawn.They should be. And yes I know some of the loudest complainers may have cheated. The point is those that didn't got screwed and stats don't matter in a sport that once cherished stats. As a kid, we all knew the all time career home run number and the all time HR number for a season. I know from asking ,that most kids today don't know and don't care. It amazes me that the sabermetric guys seem not to care. It makes the math useless.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 18, 2013 16:13:54 GMT -5
1. Kirk Gibson could've spoken up about steroid testing back in the 1980's.
2. Ryan Braun got caught.
3. It's not that sabermetric people just don't care. It's that the advantage someone gets from using steroids isn't measurable, and to know or not know who used and didn't isn't possible. I'm 99.9% sure that someone already in the Hall of Fame used steroids. I'm 100% sure that they used amphetamines and other stuff that's against the rules.
4. "It makes the math useless" is the biggest thing I can't stand about the whole anti-steroid argument. The only reason people care about steroids is because the numbers in baseball have this fake sanctity. Nobody cares about numbers in football, so people don't care about steroids, even though it's FAR more immoral to enhance ones stuff in order to hit people, rather than a baseball, harder.
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 18, 2013 16:21:04 GMT -5
1. Kirk Gibson could've spoken up about steroid testing back in the 1980's. 2. Ryan Braun got caught. 3. It's not that sabermetric people just don't care. It's that the advantage someone gets from using steroids isn't measurable, and to know or not know who used and didn't isn't possible. I'm 99.9% sure that someone already in the Hall of Fame used steroids. I'm 100% sure that they used amphetamines and other stuff that's against the rules.
4. "It makes the math useless" is the biggest thing I can't stand about the whole anti-steroid argument. The only reason people care about steroids is because the numbers in baseball have this fake sanctity. Nobody cares about numbers in football, so people don't care about steroids, even though it's FAR more immoral to enhance ones stuff in order to hit people, rather than a baseball, harder.[/b] Thanks for the answers .It's mainly what I thought. I think you're wrong on number 4 for the average fan but I can't prove it.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 18, 2013 16:55:03 GMT -5
You're welcome - the steroid argument can get pretty heated so thank you for doing well to keep it civil.
Which do you disagree on in #4? That people care about steroids in baseball because of numbers, or that football users roiding is more immoral? The first part is more my perception, so I could be wrong about it. I'm going to stick to my guns on the latter assertion though - taking steroids in baseball hurts records (probably), while steroids in football hurts other people physically. I'm far less offended by Mark McGwire hitting 10 more home runs than I am about Shawne Merriman doling out 10 more concussions.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 18, 2013 17:47:46 GMT -5
4. "It makes the math useless" is the biggest thing I can't stand about the whole anti-steroid argument. The only reason people care about steroids is because the numbers in baseball have this fake sanctity. Nobody cares about numbers in football, so people don't care about steroids, even though it's FAR more immoral to enhance ones stuff in order to hit people, rather than a baseball, harder. It can't be said enough what a load of bullshit this argument is. The whole idea that there was any kind of "purity" or "sanctity" to statistical record in baseball before 1998 or whenever is PROVABLY FALSE. It's actual nonsense and there's no reasonable grounds on which to debate that. There's about a million factors that have altered statistical records in baseball in one way or another over the years, but I'll just throw one out there: segregation. I would love anyone who thinks "steroid era" numbers are meaningless to justify to me why any numbers before about 1950 or so are meaningful. If you want to throw Bonds's numbers out, fine. But make sure you throw Ruth's and Cobb's and Williams's out with them because those guys all got a huge advantage from a horribly unjust system. You want to talk about how all the guys who didn't do steroids got screwed? Go tell that to Oscar Charlton.
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 18, 2013 20:39:36 GMT -5
You're welcome - the steroid argument can get pretty heated so thank you for doing well to keep it civil. Which do you disagree on in #4? That people care about steroids in baseball because of numbers, or that football users roiding is more immoral? The first part is more my perception, so I could be wrong about it. I'm going to stick to my guns on the latter assertion though - taking steroids in baseball hurts records (probably), while steroids in football hurts other people physically. I'm far less offended by Mark McGwire hitting 10 more home runs than I am about Shawne Merriman doling out 10 more concussions. That.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 19, 2013 15:56:07 GMT -5
RT @moknydn A-Rod's new lawyer has conflict of interest, says Cashman’s mistress in court papers fw.to/OTCwpiU no comment
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 19, 2013 16:14:51 GMT -5
The Yankees are a garbage organization. Always have been.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 19, 2013 17:41:54 GMT -5
Andrew Marchand ?@andrewmarchand 11m Source: A-Rod's lawyers preparing malpractice suit against Yankee team doctor. Story up soon.
ENOUGH my god.... this is annoying
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Post by charliezink16 on Aug 20, 2013 11:09:35 GMT -5
Well, here's Gabe Kapler's take on the whole steroid scandal, including why he avoided it and faced questions about it throughout his career. An outstanding read that everyone should look at. Kapler is fairly new to the writing game, but his stuff has been exceptional up to date. @gabekapler: This is a personal piece and it wasn't easy to write, but I'm glad I did. Look forward to hearing your feedback! t.co/dLRclMI37p(I'm on Safari on the iPhone so can't quote this, apologies to the mods) but here's Kapler's take on how steroids affects a players game; something that is commonly debated on this board. "Had I been unable to resist the temptation, I believe I would have maintained the strength that I had at my peak, or perhaps increased it. As I became better mechanically and through experience, that power would play up. The ripple effect of that would lead to confidence, which would in turn lead to improved performance. There is a school of thought that PEDs don’t help your eye-hand coordination; that they won’t make you a better player because you still have to hit the ball. That’s a debatable topic, but I reckon that bigger, stronger, faster, more powerful men will hit the ball harder and throw the ball faster. That’s nearly indisputable. In baseball, there isn’t a factor more responsible for success than confidence. I’ve never in my life had a player tell me different. If a man is stronger on the field and can recover more quickly, he’s inherently going to believe in his ability more. I submit that if anything, the value of PEDs to a player has been drastically underpublicized as opposed to overblown."
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 20, 2013 11:18:59 GMT -5
Well, here's Gabe Kapler's take on the whole steroid scandal, including why he avoided it and faced questions about it throughout his career. An outstanding read that everyone should look at. Kapler is fairly new to the writing game, but his stuff has been exceptional up to date. @gabekapler: This is a personal piece and it wasn't easy to write, but I'm glad I did. Look forward to hearing your feedback! t.co/dLRclMI37p(I'm on Safari on the iPhone so can't quote this, apologies to the mods) but here's Kapler's take on how steroids affects a players game; something that is commonly debated on this board. "Had I been unable to resist the temptation, I believe I would have maintained the strength that I had at my peak, or perhaps increased it. As I became better mechanically and through experience, that power would play up. The ripple effect of that would lead to confidence, which would in turn lead to improved performance. There is a school of thought that PEDs don’t help your eye-hand coordination; that they won’t make you a better player because you still have to hit the ball. That’s a debatable topic, but I reckon that bigger, stronger, faster, more powerful men will hit the ball harder and throw the ball faster. That’s nearly indisputable. In baseball, there isn’t a factor more responsible for success than confidence. I’ve never in my life had a player tell me different. If a man is stronger on the field and can recover more quickly, he’s inherently going to believe in his ability more. I submit that if anything, the value of PEDs to a player has been drastically underpublicized as opposed to overblown." I was just coming on here to post this link. Seriously, stop what you're doing and read this. I believe it's free.
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