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Post by James Dunne on Aug 9, 2013 16:45:34 GMT -5
At least when MLB suspended Bonds for life they had the good grace to go through the time-honored method of quiet collusion. They didn't break their own damn rules publicly to give him a magically-generated 211-game suspension.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 9, 2013 16:49:38 GMT -5
Mark Cuban said it best, baseball is being run like Bud Selig's mafia. It's a cartel.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 9, 2013 16:51:08 GMT -5
Mark Cuban said it best, baseball is being run like Bud Selig's mafia. It's a cartel. What's weird is that they're not even trying to hide it. "Here's a suspension for a number of games that exists nowhere in our own drug policy". Uhhh, ok....
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 9, 2013 16:53:26 GMT -5
I think Ted Turner said it better in the early '90's:
"Gentlemen, we have the only legal monopoly in the country and we're f***ing it up."
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Post by bjb406 on Aug 9, 2013 17:09:06 GMT -5
You're doing things that you can't here. If you try to predict a 100% drug free and healthy Bonds vs. a 100% healthy and drug free Ken Griffey Jr. I'd still take Griffey Jr. but we can't do that so it comes down to the whole cheating thing which will inevitably open up a can of worms in this thread that I'll wish it hadn't. Well, how about this. In his career, Ken Griffey Jr. accumulated 83.7 rWAR (baseball-reference). From 1986-1999 Barry Bonds gained 103.5 rWAR. Do you think he was cheating during the 1990's, too? uhhh, yeah?
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 9, 2013 17:20:10 GMT -5
Honest question. Am I the only one who feels a little bit bad for A-Rod? I mean, I don't really care one way or other about the guy, but he's been railroaded in a way I've never seen a player before. You can argue he brought it upon himself, and that's true to a point, but it's kind of depressing. I've gone back the last couple months and read articles about him as he was coming up, and the whole thing makes me a little sad. I never feel sorry for anyone whose net assets total more than a hundred times my own. Matter of principle.
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Post by charliezink16 on Aug 9, 2013 20:19:13 GMT -5
Reddick with 3 dingers tonight.
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Post by Gwell55 on Aug 9, 2013 20:58:01 GMT -5
Well, how about this. In his career, Ken Griffey Jr. accumulated 83.7 rWAR (baseball-reference). From 1986-1999 Barry Bonds gained 103.5 rWAR. Do you think he was cheating during the 1990's, too? uhhh, yeah? LOL yea Griffey must of been cheating back then too, after all he broke down first!
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Post by mredsox89 on Aug 10, 2013 2:14:05 GMT -5
It wouldn't surprise me whatsoever if A-rod "wins" his appeal or if he and MLB come to an agreement before it goes to arbitration. They pulled a random number out of their ass, basically just saying whatever happens to be left this season plus a whole other season as well. It could definitely be reduced to 100 or 150 games that can be "justified" under the drug agreement
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 10, 2013 8:42:24 GMT -5
LOL yea Griffey must of been cheating back then too, after all he broke down first! The whole idea that Griffey is somehow on par with Bonds is ridiculous. You have to invent completely different careers for each of them. I mean since when do we give players credit for being injured the last ten years of their careers? It's like saying Nomar is on par with Jeter if you ignore the fact that Nomar got hurt and retired ten years before Jeter broke down. Well, sorry, players don't get credit for the careers that we imagine they might have had, they get credit for the careers they actually had.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 10, 2013 14:50:58 GMT -5
Josh Reddick just doubled his HR total in 2 days (5+5=10)
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Post by Gwell55 on Aug 10, 2013 15:55:56 GMT -5
LOL yea Griffey must of been cheating back then too, after all he broke down first! The whole idea that Griffey is somehow on par with Bonds is ridiculous. You have to invent completely different careers for each of them. I mean since when do we give players credit for being injured the last ten years of their careers? It's like saying Nomar is on par with Jeter if you ignore the fact that Nomar got hurt and retired ten years before Jeter broke down. Well, sorry, players don't get credit for the careers that we imagine they might have had, they get credit for the careers they actually had. Rotflmao, you do realize I was just poking fun at the whole debate right? ?? Geez what is the purpose of the italics anymore... lol
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 10, 2013 16:02:12 GMT -5
I was agreeing with you.
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Post by bjb406 on Aug 10, 2013 16:21:04 GMT -5
LOL yea Griffey must of been cheating back then too, after all he broke down first! The whole idea that Griffey is somehow on par with Bonds is ridiculous. You have to invent completely different careers for each of them. I mean since when do we give players credit for being injured the last ten years of their careers? It's like saying Nomar is on par with Jeter if you ignore the fact that Nomar got hurt and retired ten years before Jeter broke down. Well, sorry, players don't get credit for the careers that we imagine they might have had, they get credit for the careers they actually had. It depends on what you are talking about. Jeter played longer so his career totals are obviously better, but Nomar at his best, from like 98 to 03, was better than Jeter ever was. Did Jeter have the better career? yes, but he was not a better player. As for the Griffey/Bonds think I was not comparing them, but someone asked sarcastically if we thought Bonds used steroids in the 90's, and I would say he most likely was for at least most of the 90's. Steroids weren't even banned until 91 and they weren't tested for until 03, so I think its foolish to think he wasn't, and its foolish to compare him with another player for that reason.
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Post by polarbear91 on Aug 10, 2013 21:27:02 GMT -5
As for the Griffey/Bonds think I was not comparing them, but someone asked sarcastically if we thought Bonds used steroids in the 90's, and I would say he most likely was for at least most of the 90's. Steroids weren't even banned until 91 and they weren't tested for until 03, so I think its foolish to think he wasn't, and its foolish to compare him with another player for that reason. Have you read Game of Shadows? Pretty well researched. I'm no fan of Bonds and I am incredulous to those who seem to imply that steroids didn't help these guys improve performance, but it seems that there was a very definitive timeline for when Bonds started juicing and it was in direct response to the Sosa - McGwire home run chase.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 10, 2013 23:28:30 GMT -5
Just finishing the book and I think you're assessment is right on. They did serious research and none of it has ever been refuted. There's no evidence I know of that Bonds was involved with the drugs prior to the late 90's. The physical changes in his appearance, while only peripheral evidence, would seem to bear that out.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 11, 2013 12:01:15 GMT -5
In other news, no wait this is the same news... Thinly-disguised luv for the MFYs drips from so much of sports journalism that I have to keep a barf-bag close by. Bob Nightengale of USA Today, who recently assured us all that A-Rod would never play another game for the Bronx Bummers, is now back-pedalling fast enough to work the Tour de France in reverse. Here's a quote that doesn't even make an attempt at objectivity: That's pure horseshit, of course. No one is forcing the Yankees to do anything. They reached an agreement and signed a contract. The contract has clear stipulations about when a player gets paid. While he appeals his case he gets his salary, everyone knows that. Everyone, that is, except Nightengale and all the other shills working for the House of Pinstripes.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 11, 2013 12:11:58 GMT -5
Won't someone PLEASE think of the Steinbrenners?! I think we can all agree that the real crime here is that multi-billionaires may actually be forced to pay up on their own bad bets.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 11, 2013 17:41:01 GMT -5
RT @dbacks INJURY UPDATE: Cody Ross left today's game with a dislocated right hip.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 11, 2013 22:13:18 GMT -5
Adam Jones ?@simplyaj10 3h I want to thank whatever slapdick threw that banana towards my direction in CF in the last inning. Way to show ur class u jackass.
I seriously hope that BP security and cameras can catch this f*ker who did this
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Post by ibsmith85 on Aug 12, 2013 7:13:20 GMT -5
Adam Jones ?@simplyaj10 3h I want to thank whatever slapdick threw that banana towards my direction in CF in the last inning. Way to show ur class u jackass. I seriously hope that BP security and cameras can catch this f*ker who did this Seconded. Racism needs to carry harsher punishments. On a light note to the story, Jones called him a slapdick, never heard that one before, but made me laugh.
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Post by curll on Aug 12, 2013 7:59:24 GMT -5
Luke Scott?
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 12, 2013 14:45:18 GMT -5
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Post by pedroelgrande on Aug 12, 2013 14:49:54 GMT -5
I feel cheated watching Yu pitch. Imagine Yu as our ace.
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Post by jmei on Aug 12, 2013 14:53:10 GMT -5
Darvish just lost a perfect game on some questionable umpiring. When Villar ended up walking, Pierzynski was understandably a bit peeved and the ump threw him out right away. I'm not usually one of the folks who hates on umps, but this was particularly egregious.
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