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Post by voiceofreason on Nov 3, 2018 10:00:55 GMT -5
The problem with the Sac Kings pick is they have no reason to tank so they might end up closer to the 8-10 pick. At some point this season they will be playing against teams that just as soon lose and that will give them enough wins to ruin it for the C's. If the Clippers make the playoffs it could mean the C's have 3 picks between 7 and 17. I smell a trade or 3 happening.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 3, 2018 12:14:54 GMT -5
Oh course a bunch of athletes don't make it, but it limits upside especially at SF. From the highlight tapes and I just watched a bunch more. He looks like he's close to a bottom tier athlete at SF right now. At the same time the amount of athletes in the NBA has never been higher and he's still in the NBA. Kyle Korver isn't a good athlete in the NBA for his position, yet the guy can still dunk, heck how many blocks did he have on Brown in that game? I'm not saying he's an all-time bad athlete or something like that. I just don't see a good athlete. I see a very skilled player, that does all these behind the back under the legs dribbles to help him get off shots. Its painful watching him run the court, it takes 110% effort and he still didn't outrun the guys. Watched him in the post against Wiggins and Rose, he could even come close to getting by either player instead settling for a hard fade away shot. He plays the position with the top athletes in the NBA and he's clearly not even close to that level. His skill level is very impressive and he's a very smart player. He uses screens, takes great angles, can dribble very well and seems to play very hard, which in a way makes him seem like a better athlete than he is. You're really underrating his athleticism and the thing about it being "painful" to watch him run the court, for me it's way more painful to see Rozier still playing way too fast and way too out of control. It was painful to watch guys like Marcus Banks playing basketball, dude's that are crazy fast but can't dribble or finish or both. Doncic can do it all. Again, he's not an elite athlete, but neither was Nowitisky. Heck, neither was Pau Gasol. Doncic has over 6 rebounds per game currently, which means that at least he's able to hold strong against guys. And not to mention he recently scored like 6 points, including the game tying shot, and dished 3 assists in the final 4-5 minutes against the Lakers. Against Lebron. Playing the same position as Lebron. Right now you're sounding like the guys in the fist few chapters of Moneyball before Beane said like yeah dude we're not looking for guys who can sell jeans here. I'm paraphrasing obviously, but if guys can get it to work it doesn't matter how they do it. And Doncic looks like he can get it to work.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 3, 2018 17:18:21 GMT -5
Oh course a bunch of athletes don't make it, but it limits upside especially at SF. From the highlight tapes and I just watched a bunch more. He looks like he's close to a bottom tier athlete at SF right now. At the same time the amount of athletes in the NBA has never been higher and he's still in the NBA. Kyle Korver isn't a good athlete in the NBA for his position, yet the guy can still dunk, heck how many blocks did he have on Brown in that game? I'm not saying he's an all-time bad athlete or something like that. I just don't see a good athlete. I see a very skilled player, that does all these behind the back under the legs dribbles to help him get off shots. Its painful watching him run the court, it takes 110% effort and he still didn't outrun the guys. Watched him in the post against Wiggins and Rose, he could even come close to getting by either player instead settling for a hard fade away shot. He plays the position with the top athletes in the NBA and he's clearly not even close to that level. His skill level is very impressive and he's a very smart player. He uses screens, takes great angles, can dribble very well and seems to play very hard, which in a way makes him seem like a better athlete than he is. You're really underrating his athleticism and the thing about it being "painful" to watch him run the court, for me it's way more painful to see Rozier still playing way too fast and way too out of control. It was painful to watch guys like Marcus Banks playing basketball, dude's that are crazy fast but can't dribble or finish or both. Doncic can do it all. Again, he's not an elite athlete, but neither was Nowitisky. Heck, neither was Pau Gasol. Doncic has over 6 rebounds per game currently, which means that at least he's able to hold strong against guys. And not to mention he recently scored like 6 points, including the game tying shot, and dished 3 assists in the final 4-5 minutes against the Lakers. Against Lebron. Playing the same position as Lebron. Right now you're sounding like the guys in the fist few chapters of Moneyball before Beane said like yeah dude we're not looking for guys who can sell jeans here. I'm paraphrasing obviously, but if guys can get it to work it doesn't matter how they do it. And Doncic looks like he can get it to work. You seem to be missing the context of my comments and I even made a point to say what those were. Should he have been the top pick, can he be a superstar so many people have said he can be, can he live up to his hype, etc. This isn't can he be a good player, which I've said he can be. Its will his athleticism limit his upside and keep him from being the player many thought him to be. I mean RJP was comparing him to James Harden for example, many thought he was easily the best player in the draft. I'm not underrating his athleticism one bit, its clear as day. It was before the draft and its crazy clear now. Everyone acted like it was no big deal, heck people even said it was because he was tired because he played too many games in Europe. Its clearly wasn't that. Are you really going to compare Doncic to Rozier and Banks? He's easily one of the most hyped prospects ever! Again this is all about context. You seem to think because I'm pointing out the obvious and talking about his upside being limited I'm wrong because he can produce. That wasn't ever my point and doesn't look at the context of my comments. People were talking about trading a kings ransom to move up and get him. Rebounding is about drive, wanting it and effort. You brought up Sullinger before and he was an elite rebounder in this league. Just look at Browns lack of rebounding or the fact guys like Smart and Rozier out rebound him all the time. If you think Dirk wasn't an elite athlete for his size go back and watch some videos. You must be going off of Dirks recent play as he's old as dirt. Maybe elite isn't the best word, but he was very very good. Go watch him school Chris Bosh in the finals even as he was older, he could still easily blow by a crazy athletic Bosh. That's what made Dirk so special he was very good athletically and had mad skills. Doncic has the skills, but lacks the athleticism. If you can't see that watching them both at 19 I don't know what to say to you! For the last time this isn't about Doncic being a horrible player! Right from the get go you had that wrong! Heck in your own worlds you said you could see him becoming a #2 on a title contender. So you have to believe his athleticism holds him back, its certainly not his skill level. At the same time he's been handed the Keys to that offense in a way Tatum wasn't till the playoffs. He's more skilled than Tatum, but I wouldn't trade Tatum for him. I wouldn't even think about it. Tatum can get much easier shots than Donic gets and Tatum's athleticism makes it nearly impossible to stop him. Tatum's not close to an elite athlete either, just a very good one. Doncic is a level below that.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 3, 2018 19:06:10 GMT -5
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 3, 2018 20:10:57 GMT -5
Weird strategy by the Celtics to not even try guarding the 3-point line.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 3, 2018 20:22:52 GMT -5
Heck of a choke job.
Can’t say enough bad things about Brad’s coaching down the stretch.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 3, 2018 20:40:29 GMT -5
That was a complete letdown.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 3, 2018 21:03:06 GMT -5
Heck of a choke job. Can’t say enough bad things about Brad’s coaching down the stretch. Terrible coaching - getting a nice layup that was missed and isolating Tatum on the smaller player in the post but having a lousy inbound pass. Shame on him.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 4, 2018 10:29:21 GMT -5
Terrible coaching - getting a nice layup that was missed and isolating Tatum on the smaller player in the post but having a lousy inbound pass. Shame on him. Are you trying to imply that coaches can't call plays and play them at the same time? No way man, let Duke have Brad.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 4, 2018 14:26:37 GMT -5
Color me confused why Hayward keeps starting. It sucks, but its going to be a long road for him to get back to what he was if he every does. Wanted to give him 10% of the season before commenting, but while we've seen glimpses he's just not close to the same player and we keep hearing about his ankle. So give him a bench role!
I don't know what to say about Brown. Last years playoffs raised my take of him. I expected he would take a step back due to Irving and Hayward, but wow I don't even know what to say. They need to try something else!
We really need a line-up change! The great boy wonder is struggling with all this talent. You don't have to start Hayward because he makes a ton!
Start Baynes and set the defensive ton early like last year. Start Semi who doesn't want to take a ton of shots and plays more team ball. Heck start Rozier and try a run and gun offense. Do something!
It likely all works itself out, but this team is going to take a lot longer to gel than any of us thought! The great team ball, the ton of fast break and offensive blitz are gone. That was the game style that made Brown and Rozier play awesome.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 5, 2018 4:41:11 GMT -5
The great boy wonder lol. Stevens is 42 now I think.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 5, 2018 8:42:50 GMT -5
I’m just going to sit back and watch you all freak out over this stuff.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 5, 2018 10:35:46 GMT -5
There are already some talks about the Lakers firing Walton. We're like one month into the Lebron LA experience and his coach is already getting those talks, to the point that Magic had to say he won't fire Walton this year. The whole thing is backwards. Walton is a damn good coach, I hope Magic has the stones to tell Lebron to f*ck off like Riley did when Lebron wanted to get Spo fired. Who am I kidding though LMAO.
I hope people remember this when they talk about someone being the GOAT.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 5, 2018 12:44:56 GMT -5
There are already some talks about the Lakers firing Walton. We're like one month into the Lebron LA experience and his coach is already getting those talks, to the point that Magic had to say he won't fire Walton this year. The whole thing is backwards. Walton is a damn good coach, I hope Magic has the stones to tell Lebron to f*ck off like Riley did when Lebron wanted to get Spo fired. Who am I kidding though LMAO. I hope people remember this when they talk about someone being the GOAT. But who’s saying it? The media sucks so they could just be openly asking with no basis other than a poor start.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 5, 2018 13:54:47 GMT -5
But who’s saying it? The media sucks so they could just be openly asking with no basis other than a poor start. The media sucks, but usually in this kind of thing there's too much smoke for stuff not being on fire. And it fits Lebron's history.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 5, 2018 19:35:17 GMT -5
If any of you subscribe to the Athletic and care they have preseason draft profiles up
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 5, 2018 22:00:18 GMT -5
This is going to turn into a great game. Heck, it already is a great game.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 5, 2018 22:04:50 GMT -5
I'd myself like to see a lineup change, but I'm pulling Brown for Rozier if I'm Stevens. Give him a starting role in Boston and keep him happy.
I like Brown, but he has a lot of Jeff Green syndrome in him. Flashy but inconsistent. Tonight is one of his more flashier nights as I'm saying this.
I'd rather pay Rozier than Brown in the future. If Danny has a chance to trade Brown and picks to move up in the draft next year, I might think long and hard about it if it's a good draft class or for Anthony Davis next year of course.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 5, 2018 22:49:27 GMT -5
Just looked at the score so far - great first quarter, gave it all back the next two and more. Not watching or listening...but things are apparently not clicking at all yet.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 5, 2018 22:54:37 GMT -5
Hayward is having a awful game. I kind of expected him to start slow to start the year. Hopefully it doesn't take a whole year to see the real Hayward.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 5, 2018 22:59:07 GMT -5
Hayward is having a awful game. I kind of expected him to start slow to start the year. Hopefully it doesn't take a whole year to see the real Hayward. Box score indicates Morris and Rozier are struggling too. Is anyone guarding Jamal Murray?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 5, 2018 23:03:48 GMT -5
Jesus, Mehpis is running away with this thing. Murray is burying them.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 5, 2018 23:18:59 GMT -5
Boston with their softest quarter of the year arguably. Murray did whatever he wanted against the Celtics in the 4th quarter.
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Post by wcp3 on Nov 6, 2018 7:06:25 GMT -5
Boston with their softest quarter of the year arguably. Murray did whatever he wanted against the Celtics in the 4th quarter. They just look like a soft team right now period. The only players with a killer instinct are the two Marcuses, but it’s hard to play both of them in crunch time with all the other talent on the roster.
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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 6, 2018 8:21:42 GMT -5
Tatum and Brown just need to play better. Ideally we wouldn't have to rely on them so much to play better along Kyrie, but Hayward is rusty and Horford... Man I don't even know what to say about Horford anymore.
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